U.S. teenager tortured in Kuwait and barred re-entry into the U.S.

[ElNono]

Already quoted. You didn't read.

lol taking a boat...

[Wild Cobra]

The questions Mohamed was repeatedly asked -- including two days ago by American embassy officials and FBI agents who visited him in the detention facility -- focused on whether he knew Anwar al-Awlaki, the American cleric in Yemen who has become an obsession of the Obama administration, as well as why he went to Yemen and Somalia.

lol didn't read...

Why do only six sites say that? What if imposers posed as them? I see several allegations, with no credibility.

[ElNono]

Why do only six sites say that? What if imposers posed as them? I see several allegations, with no credibility.

You see what you want to see. That much is clear.

What's your evidence that makes the reports not credible? Again, you're disputing the articles as reported, it's up to you to provide credible proof that they're wrong.

[Wild Cobra]

You see what you want to see. That much is clear.

What's your evidence that makes the reports not credible? Again, you're disputing the articles as reported, it's up to you to provide credible proof that they're wrong.

Bull .

Here I am being open minded saying no proper evidence exists, but you are adamant there there is sufficient evidence.

Go off. I'm done with you until you open your mind.

[LnGrrrR]

Bottom line El-don't-know...

I said he was not barred from traveling to the USA. You disagreed. Sure, maybe he's barred by plane, but not my other means. He can go to Canada, and take a bus if necessary.

Stop arguing around that simple fact. Makes you look like a loser.

First off, you're assuming that officials would let him in, even though the story says they wouldn't.

But assuming he could take a boat here, why should he have to? Does that make any sense? Shouldn't Americans have effective legal recourse to challenge their name being on a no-fly list? Or do you think the executive should have the right to put whoever they want on the no-fly list?

[LnGrrrR]

Bull .

Here I am being open minded saying no proper evidence exists, but you are adamant there there is sufficient evidence.

Go off. I'm done with you until you open your mind.

Greenwald interviewed the man himself. Do you think he's lying?

[LnGrrrR]

Bull .

Here I am being open minded saying no proper evidence exists, but you are adamant there there is sufficient evidence.

Go off. I'm done with you until you open your mind.

Proper evidence does exist. The man himself being kidnapped, beaten and put on he no-fly list are the first pieces.

[Wild Cobra]

First off, you're assuming that officials would let him in, even though the story says they wouldn't.

But assuming he could take a boat here, why should he have to? Does that make any sense? Shouldn't Americans have effective legal recourse to challenge their name being on a no-fly list? Or do you think the executive should have the right to put whoever they want on the no-fly list?

In my argument there, I am proving that my contention he is not barred from coming back to the USA is correct. Being on a no-fly list only applies to flying.

I am not saying it is right. Just that it is factual, and that El-Don't-Know's contention he is barred from USA entry is incorrect.

[LnGrrrR]

In my argument there, I am proving that my contention he is not barred from coming back to the USA is correct. Being on a no-fly list only applies to flying.

I am not saying it is right. Just that it is factual, and that El-Don't-Know's contention he is barred from USA entry is incorrect.

But Greenwald, who is a reporter/pundit, has stated officials have said he can't enter. Do you think Greenwald is lying? If so, what's the evidence?

[ElNono]

Bull .

Here I am being open minded saying no proper evidence exists, but you are adamant there there is sufficient evidence.

Go off. I'm done with you until you open your mind.

No, you're calling people liars, then pretending you know better.

Liar.

[ElNono]

In my argument there, I am proving that my contention he is not barred from coming back to the USA is correct.

What proof? Where is it? link?

Liar.

[Wild Cobra]

Proper evidence does exist. The man himself being kidnapped, beaten and put on he no-fly list are the first pieces.

Is he in fact on the no fly list? Those detaining him told him he was. Does that make it fact, or are they just using excuses?

Name me one USA official that is in the know, and has said he is on the no fly list? Do they know it as fact, or just propagating rumor?

Maybe he really is on the no fly list. Maybe it's a lie. Can you say one way or another factually?

It seems I am the only one maintain an open mind on this. It is a tragedy. However, we are arguing about unproven allegations.

[ElNono]

Is he in fact on the no fly list? Those detaining him told him he was. Does that make it fact, or are they just using excuses

Those that detained him did not tell him that. American officials did.

Did you read the articles?

[Wild Cobra]

What proof? Where is it? link?

Liar.

Do I need a link to prove that the no fly list includes all methods of international travel?

Again...

Go off you idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

Those that detained him did not tell him that. American officials did.

Did you read the articles?

Did you listen to the taped interview?

off till you do.

[ElNono]

Why 'six articles' would lie? What is it that they need to lie about?
How many articles need to report the same thing for you to be 'credible'?

[Wild Cobra]

interview

[ElNono]

Did you listen to the taped interview?

I did. Did you read the interviews he had with other reporters too?

Liar.

[ElNono]

Do I need a link to prove that the no fly list includes all methods of international travel?

So you didn't prove anything, yet you claim you did.

Liar.

[LnGrrrR]

Is he in fact on the no fly list? Those detaining him told him he was. Does that make it fact, or are they just using excuses?

Name me one USA official that is in the know, and has said he is on the no fly list? Do they know it as fact, or just propagating rumor?

Maybe he really is on the no fly list. Maybe it's a lie. Can you say one way or another factually?

It seems I am the only one maintain an open mind on this. It is a tragedy. However, we are arguing about unproven allegations.

I don't have to name an official, because Greenwald talked to one. Do you believe Greenwald or not?

Do you have to actually live in space to know there's no air up there?

If you think Greenwald is lying, then say so. But that's different than an "open mind".

[ElNono]

Greenwald is lying.
The NY Times is lying.
The kid's lawyer is lying.
Six other reports are lying.

or Wild Cobra is lying...

hmmm...

[LnGrrrR]

Do you have evidence they aren't? Maybe they don't have enough power over there? ASSume much?

Uhmm if he wasn'ton the no-fly list, he'd probably be home by now.

[Wild Cobra]

I don't have to name an official, because Greenwald talked to one. Do you believe Greenwald or not?

Did he? could he of made it up? Why unnamed? Could he of talked to an imposer instead?

Sorry, I have a problem with this "unnamed source" thing. Always have, always will.

If you think Greenwald is lying, then say so. But that's different than an "open mind".

I don't know if he is or not. Maybe he is right about him being on a no fly list. Still, my intended statement that we are arguing around is that the no fly list only applies to aircraft, therefore does not bar him from other means of USA entry.

Why are you arguing around that? Agree or disagree? Does the no fly list bar all forms of USA entry?

[Wild Cobra]

Uhmm if he wasn'ton the no-fly list, he'd probably be home by now.

I forget...

Is he still detained or not? If he is being detained still, how will he get back?

How did he get on the no fly list? He flew there just fine. Did who ever wanted to detain him arrange for his name on the list if it is there?

[LnGrrrR]

Did he? could he of made it up? Why unnamed? Could he of talked to an imposer instead?

Sorry, I have a problem with this "unnamed source" thing. Always have, always will.

Fair enough. Could you see why the source might want to remain unnamed? This might be a black eye on the government.

I don't know if he is or not. Maybe he is right about him being on a no fly list. Still, my intended statement that we are arguing around is that the no fly list only applies to aircraft, therefore does not bar him from other means of USA entry.

Why are you arguing around that? Agree or disagree? Does the no fly list bar all forms of USA entry?

Because Greenwald and other reporters have mentioned the unnamed source saying that the offical bars him from entry to the US. Do you not believe the reporters, or the unnamed official?