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    I agree but again, very few congress people put them self out in the open. I simply think he would have targeted any of them that were easy to target.


    He first had contact with her in 2007.


    They have found stuff where he has stated that he planned this.


    Ya it was random.

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    Not according to local or state authorities either.
    Same ones who swore up & down there were two men involved.

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    He first had contact with her in 2007.


    They have found stuff where he has stated that he planned this.


    Ya it was random.
    Weren't those plans after the released agenda of the congresswoman?

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    Same ones who swore up & down there were two men involved.
    lol, another pathetic paranoid dolt... I laugh at you.

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    Weren't those plans after the released agenda of the congresswoman?


    What?

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    LOL...

    If you cannot comprehend what I meant, we are done.

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    Okay, what I have learned so far is that Sarah Palin maintains a terrorist cell of mentally unstable Communist Nazi Anarchists tea bagger leftists who are mentally unstable.

    Am i right so far?

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    LOL...

    If you cannot comprehend what I meant, we are done.


    I dont even know what you are trying to ask.



    The only thing I know is that the Congresswoman WAS the target. Plain and simple. The plans they found were his plans for assassinating her.


    What more explanation is needed? Unless you want to talk in circles.

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    I dont even know what you are trying to ask.



    The only thing I know is that the Congresswoman WAS the target. Plain and simple. The plans they found were his plans for assassinating her.


    What more explanation is needed? Unless you want to talk in circles.
    Was she the target before or after her agenda was released? If senator McCain was doing the same thing instead of her, would they have found plans to kill him instead?

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    I'm saying they are left of center, some more than others, which leaves the rest of the population needed those who are to the right.
    ABC and CBS? How do they compare to conservative talk radio? Conservative talk radio is on day and night with right wing propaganda shows, full of opinions.

    ABC and CBS TV has a 30 minute news cast nightly that gives little to no opinions during the 30 minutes. CBS and ABC also have news affiliates that give 5 minute updates on the hour across many radio stations, little to no opinions on those just straight news items.

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    I dont even know what you are trying to ask.



    The only thing I know is that the Congresswoman WAS the target. Plain and simple. The plans they found were his plans for assassinating her.


    What more explanation is needed? Unless you want to talk in circles.
    He went there with the intention to kill the congresswoman then just opened fire on the rest of the people. I'll bet the first shot hit Giffords.

    It was politically motivated. He didn't like something about what she stood for.

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    the thing is that regardless of whether this guy even spoke of Palin, much less meet/communicate with Palin once in his life, it can still be true that the political climate she is an important part of fostered that violence.

    Everyone seems to overlook the interview where Giffords calls Palin out for exactly this, and she ends up getting shot by a zealot. that is too big a coincidence IMO. does anyone really think better civic culture doesn't help in this kind of situation?

    the murderer shot a lot of people yesterday, total disregard for human life. this has been happening more and more in the US, and it has now spilled into politics. its a slippery slope and Palin is sitting on the wrong side in this one.

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    Let me be clear, none of what happened yesterday was the result of conservative principles. It doesn't mean a desire for smaller government is wrong. It doesn't mean the GOP is a worse choice than the Democrats. It is not in any way a strike against anything conservatives believe. I've stated this before in this thread, but it probably needs to be continuously stated.

    That being said, there was a reason the alert from extreme right wing terrorism was issued in the past and this is an extreme embodiment of it.
    The reason was partisan political smearing. This act is an embodiment of insanity. And, to top it off, it is starting to appear his motives were fueled by antisemitism and not any political position held by Congresswoman Giffords.

    This plot had been baking in that nut jobs head for quite a while...possibly since he met Giffords in 2007.

    There is a lot of anger at the Tea Party rallies
    No more so than you'll find at Rev. Wrights church, the DailyKos, Huffington Post, the New Black Panther rallies, and on and on and on. The exception being, the Tea Party anger is at Democrat policies and, to some extent, Republican policies, the Tea Party believes resulted our current economic state.

    ...and while I"m sure the vast majority of people at those events would never consider any action like this, I do believe there is a segment of that group that is capable of far more radical action.
    Only because the Left is preaching that over and over and over and over ad nauseum. This attack isn't related to the Tea Party; in fact, you can't point to one single act of violence that is precipitated by the Tea Party.

    If only you were as vociferous against Muslim extremist violence. Take a peak in many of the Mosques in this country, and around the world. There's some ing violence-fomenting going on there.

    When that alert was issued, the right took it extremely offensively.
    Because it was bogus.

    They took it as a political opportunity to once again play the victim at the hands of big government. Well, it turns out that wasn't the case.
    Really, where? This wasn't a crime resulting from any Right-wing view.

    Yeah, there are definitely nut cases in every political sector and there is no denying that. Liberal eco terrorists and the like are out there.
    Bill Ayers
    Bernandine Dohrn
    New Black Panther Party
    Reverend Jeremiah Wright
    The list is long...

    But in today's political climate where the Tea Party amasses and groups large numbers of angry people who are extremely anti government there needs to be a more responsible approach to the rhetoric. Comparing the current Democratic administration to Hitler (Sup, AHF. BTW Hitler very much was against socialism - how liberal of him),
    Comparing Bush to Hitler was daily fare. He's still referred to as Bu ler by many, some in here.

    acting as though our government is out to get us, and generally using hyperbole in an incredibly irresponsible fashion is something that needs to be reconsidered at the very least.
    Not that our government is out to get us but that this administration and it's policies are ruining the country.

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    The assholes who can't drive in traffic foster violence. Everything in our environment fosters violence. Individuals make individual decisions.

    If Politicians have such a pull on the crazies, we need to start pumping out "Just Kill Yourself" Public Service Announcements tbh.

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    Take a peak in many of the Mosques in this country, and around the world. There's some ing violence-fomenting going on there.
    How many mosques have you visited, yoni?

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    I agree but again, very few congress people put them self out in the open. I simply think he would have targeted any of them that were easy to target.
    If by "put them self out in the open" you mean have a town hall style meeting with cons uents, then NO. It's actually pretty common. A lot of congressmen and congresswomen do it.

    She was clearly the target.

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    the thing is that regardless of whether this guy even spoke of Palin, much less meet/communicate with Palin once in his life, it can still be true that the political climate she is an important part of fostered that violence.
    The New York Times (not exactly a bastion of Conservative rhetoric) and The Hill say he looks like a lefty -- an antisemitic lefty, at that:

    The Right Wing blogosphere has produce several example, already, where Democrats have engaged in similar political rhetoric. DailyKos "targeted" Congresswoman Giffords, The Democratic Leadership Committee put out this "Targeting Strategy" graphic:



    The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee issued this one (each bulls eye represents a Republican Congressman):



    There's this ad where a Democrat puts the cross-hairs on a Republican opponent:



    Everyone seems to overlook the interview where Giffords calls Palin out for exactly this, and she ends up getting shot by a zealot. that is too big a coincidence IMO. does anyone really think better civic culture doesn't help in this kind of situation?
    The insane guy's animosity toward Giffords pre-dates Palin's ad.

    the murderer shot a lot of people yesterday, total disregard for human life. this has been happening more and more in the US, and it has now spilled into politics. its a slippery slope and Palin is sitting on the wrong side in this one.
    Nothing to do with Right Wing Politics. The guy was a nut. An Anti-Semitic nut, at that.

    The attempts to smear the Right with this insanity is going to backfire. Not many people are buying already. And, that Loony Pima County Sheriff is not helping...

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    If by "put them self out in the open" you mean have a town hall style meeting with cons uents, then NO. It's actually pretty common. A lot of congressmen and congresswomen do it.

    She was clearly the target.
    It's been established she was the target through evidence found at his house. He's had it in for Giffords for quite a while, it seems.

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    Did any Republican congressmen fall victim to a bow and arrow attack?

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    The shooter was a commie/Nazi....that's Hussein Obama's people.

    ing simple minded people

    nazi=right wing nut.


    commie=left wing nut.


    Obama can't be both......get a ing clue!

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    Another Lefty that was pretty pissed at Giffords



    Just two days before the shooting. Maybe whatever pissed him off, pissed off the lunatic that shot her.

    It's certainly more plausible than the stupid Sarah Palin meme that's being forwarded by the Left.

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    Did any Republican congressmen fall victim to a bow and arrow attack?


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    Did any Republican congressmen fall victim to a bow and arrow attack?
    It should. Probably will any minute tbh. Putting targets on maps causes people to carry out violent crimes.

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    Obama can't be both......get a ing clue!
    I'd say that depends on which way the political winds are blowing. He's doing a pretty fair job of abandoning the far left to appear "centrist" right now.

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    Another Lefty that was pretty pissed at Giffords



    Just two days before the shooting. Maybe whatever pissed him off, pissed off the lunatic that shot her.

    It's certainly more plausible than the stupid Sarah Palin meme that's being forwarded by the Left.
    why is for tat bull all you can focus your energy on.......very strange.

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