I hear ya!
It's not -for-tat.
None of this stuff led the shooter to do what he did. He's a ing nut.
The point in posting this is to show the absolute hypocrisy of the Left claiming this was caused by a ad produced by the Right when, as recently as two days before the shooting, there were people on the Left using the same rhetoric.
LOL, I think you mean did any state capital buildings endure bow and arrow attacks. It doesn't even mention congress people in that ad the way Palin's PAC hitlist does.
DailyKos had a hit list with Giffords on it.
how is "people on the left using the same rhetoric" (who the is harry mitc ?) to
Are you really saying Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter are on the level of Harry Mitc ? You are going to just trivialize the fact that a politician was killed after an opponent ran an ad using the murder weapon's sights and that that opponent liked to use the words "reload" and "take aim" as slogans? did harry mitc assassinate anyone with a bow and arrow?"Don’t retreat. Instead — reload!"
~Sarah Palin
"I hope that's not where we're going, but you know if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."
~Sharon Angle
I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous... we the people -- are going to have to fight back hard if we're not going to lose our country."
~Michele Backmann
''We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals.''
—Ann Coulter
''She's a f**king raghead. We got a raghead in Washington; we don't need one in South Carolina. She's a raghead that's ashamed of her religion trying to hide it behind being Methodist for political reasons.''
—South Carolina State Sen. Jake Knotts (R)
''He has no place in any station of government and we need to realize that he is an enemy of humanity.''
—Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ), on President Obama's decision to fund international family planning organizations that support legal abortion, Sept. 26, 2009
''My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.''
—Ann Coulter
''I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. ... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out.''
—Glenn Beck, May 17, 2005
you have no problem attributing the influence of religion (islam) or social values, in fact the above quoted pride themselves on having better social values, yet there they are contributing negatively to this situation, whether you like it or not.
"None of this stuff led the shooter to do what he did"
Your opinion and mind-reading, always golden, versus political/social climate poisoned by Repug/right-wing/tea bagger slander, lies, hate/kill-governement for decades.
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Even better. I just noticed the targets.
Harry Mitc is an Arizona politician...
"If they bring a knife, you bring a gun." -- Barack Obama.
We could mine the quotes all night and come up with militaristic/combative rhetoric from both sides of the spectrum. The word "campaign" is a military term.
Two days before the assassination attempt, the DailyKos (widely read, all over the nation) ran an entry by a regular contributor saying Giffords was "dead" to him.
No one, on the left or the right of the political spectrum contributed to this situation. The gunman was insane and there is no indication he even saw the Palin ad or read the DailyKos blog. None.
What the Left is doing here is political opportunistic muckery at its lowest.
I dont know. Loughner wasnt targeting McCain. He was targeting Giffords.
And, apparently, for a very long time.
"muckery at its lowest"
If it were that, the Repugs deserve it, they poisoned the public discourse, divided the country, left vs right, wealthy vs the rest, "Christians" vs secular, white vs black, an intentional political strategy.
you don't get my point. it doesnt matter whether it affected him or not. It looks bad for Palin to have run that ad, then gotten called out for running it by the person who was assassinated, who got assassinated by the same weapon/same rhetoric used in that ad. She was associated to the assassination straight out of Giffords own mouth- you say the muderer had beef since 2007, but perhaps it was his presence that led Giffords to denounce an unstable/violent enviornment for which she held Palin responsible. You cannot compare the influence of "a regular contributor at DailyKos" to Sarah Palin, (not to mention the victim, who links Palin by making the statement). In any other argument you'd be scoffing at the comparison, as I am now. we are talking about the perceptions of the environment, media is extremely improtant and Sarah Palin is a media mogul compared to any of the other subplots of the story. Therefore, it looks bad for Palin, even if she had no direct or even indirect influence on what actually happened, still her name has been thrust in and wont come out looking good (because of Giffords statement against her). Do you understand what I am trying to say now? Do you disagree that this event has negatively affected people's perception of Palin's views/rhetoric?
good night
It only looks bad because the Left keep harping on the connection without absolutely any proof there is one.you don't get my point. it doesnt matter whether it affected him or not. It looks bad for Palin to have run that ad, then gotten called out for running it by the person who was assassinated, who got assassinated by the same weapon/same rhetoric used in that ad. She was associated to the assassination straight out of Giffords own mouth- you say the muderer had beef since 2007, but perhaps it was his presence that led Giffords to denounce an unstable/violent enviornment for which she held Palin responsible. You cannot compare the influence of "a regular contributor at DailyKos" to Sarah Palin, (not to mention the victim, who links Palin by making the statement). In any other argument you'd be scoffing at the comparison, as I am now. we are talking about the perceptions of the environment, media is extremely improtant and Sarah Palin is a media mogul compared to any of the other subplots of the story. Therefore, it looks bad for Palin, even if she had no direct or even indirect influence on what actually happened, still her name has been thrust in and wont come out looking good (because of Giffords statement against her). Do you understand what I am trying to say now? Do you disagree that this event has negatively affected people's perception of Palin's views/rhetoric?
good night
The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel
Indeed, which is it?
Shouldn't have hit refresh
I'll leave it at this:
The facts aren't all out yet. Regardless, you are a fool if you think that in a murder case, particularly a political assassination, public perception would not be influenced by the victim complaining of an opponent's rhetoric, and again particularly when that rhetoric coincides with the MO of the assassination. Some may have made the connection before seeing that video, but for me it's very difficult to ignore that the victim singled out another person by name for creating a violent environment then dying in just such an incident as the one she feared. That name is going to stick whether you like it or not.
and it wasnt just hearsay, she complained on record through the media. unless you can show Giffords was paranoid and made such accusations to others, it is most certainly relevant. there's a reason we are talking about Palin and the reason is the victim- give me a reason not to empathize with the victim and ignore her statement. This is not at all equivalent to politicians using military diction, how many times do assassinated politicians name opponents before getting shot and not have that opponent's role questioned?
Sometimes your back button will bring you back to a partial response...
What, exactly, was the MO of this shooter that alluded to anything in the rancorous political contests of the mid-term elections or, in fact, of any opposing view held in contrast to Congresswoman Giffords known positions?
She's not dead, unless I missed that report.
Most politician gets death threats.
Only if idiots like you keep trying to make a connection that isn't there.
Post #298 I see we got in the obligatory Hitler/nazi reference.
I'd like to see the statistics that lead you to make this definitive statement.
I believe it was a study conducted long ago by Professor Common Sense using a common variable of common sense and an experimental stimulant of common sense.
on tv they said that last night
"Common sense" supported by what?
Who?
Tv that is who
I hate to break it to you, ducks, but TV is not a person. TV can describe a person, but that has little to do with whether that person has compiled and analyzed statistics regarding death threats against most politicians.
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