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No it's not. It's an irresponsible, knee-jerk reaction.
LOL @ tea party is a powder keg. What a in drama queen.
No it's not. It's an irresponsible, knee-jerk reaction.
LOL @ tea party is a powder keg. What a in drama queen.
ashley agrees with you. lol
So how many have been interviewed?
How does that number compare to the total number of politicians in the US?
You have too much faith in personal anecdote and TV.
lol common sense. If you had any common sense, it would tell you the the media can distort perception during a big news event. Given your breathless endorsement of the perception TV has given you, I can certainly believe you don't have any.
I have to disagree here, Manny. The names you mentioned had no affiliation with the Tea Party... , Kazynski had no affiliation with reality. There may very well be events and situations that molded the shooter into the nutbar that he is, but it's a giant step to attribute that to the Tea Party. Trying to apply logic and sensibility to situations that are not conscripts of same, can lead to some pretty unhealthy conclusions. If the shooter and the examples you set forth shared a distrust or even a hatred, which is pretty tough to quantify, of the Federal gov, well, look out your window. You'll see many that share that distrust. Start down that path and you'll be led to what actions should be taken to prevent said persons from going off on a killing spree. Welcome to McCarthyism 2.0.
The guy was a solo nutbar....not a left nor a right. Just a nutbar. Blue's Clues could've set the guy off.
Nobody is solo nutbar.
These psychotic people don't live in perfectly deaf isolation from society, deaf to the right-wing, murderous guns-solve-everything/Don't-Tread-On-Me crap.
I think it's a natural thing to do, but in this instance all we're doing is supporting our own perceptions of society's problems. Believe me, the first thing I thought when I heard about this was "Damn cable news!" but it's just not that simple in this case.
I think the fact that so many people jumped to conclusions about how a picture posted on a Sarah Palin website may have influenced this attack reveals more about society's problems, and the way we discuss this country's issues, than the shooting itself.
... on being denied a hearing in front of the SCOTUS for her suit, deemed "frivolous" by a lower court.
Tacky.
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If anyone can tell me how one would remove a sitting president from office by "taking justice into their own hands", that person wins a cookie.
And by cookie, I mean a visit from the Secret Service.
How long before a SC Justice goes down? I am betting it will be within the next year or so... potentially this fall when the Obamacare case gets to the SC..
Uhhhh....Given the current makeup of the court and the current President it would logically be a lefty doing the shooting if that happened...
ing wild ass hardcore conservatives.
once again, ruining .
I disagree with that completely. There are reasons for everything that happens in this world and they are never "just because". Whether or not he was mentally ill and operated on a different level of reality is up for debate and is a valid reason to consider but that doesn't mean we should just simply write things off without even asking "why".
There's definitely a lot of people who don't like the government in this country and around the world, Teysha. But to characterize the actions of someone who is so paranoid or angry they're willing to commit violence in the same vein is a complete mistake. I don't like the government in many ways. I get frustrated. Yet I'm not out there paranoid to the point to where I see huge conspiracies and I'm not willing to step outside of the electoral system because while I find it frustrating I think it works. The people who are on the fringe here are dangerous because they hold options like this available.
Thats not McCarthyism. Its not a singling out of people who are against government intervention, but rather a singling out of people who's feelings against the government are to the point they lead to violence.
It may be..
You add so much depth and insight into this situation, Darrin. If you write lines of code the way you write posts it must take you days to come up with the simplest of code.
Indeed. These people don't form in vacuums.
I'm not saying there was no reason for his actions, Manny. Of course there were. But I doubt they lie in a cause and effect grid for us to dissect. I might go halfway with you tho and posit that there are people who have severe character flaws that make them susceptible to emotional influences.
But, how do you quantify a person's feelings? How do we know they are going to commit a violent crime? When you try to systematically address these questions, then I fear the outcome of the Fed's efforts. The Patriot Act is one such cluster .
Name 2 friends of Ted Kazynski. He's the poster child for solo nutbars everywhere.
It's weird how the left didn't want to jump to any conclusions about Major Hassan's motives (even with a large amt of evidence) , but are more than willing to attribute conservative motives to this nutbag. I still can't find any evidence that this guy is some right-wing kook.
Those people are vacuums.
The Devil made him do it...
A sinister shrine reveals a chilling occult dimension in the mind of the deranged gunman accused of shooting a member of Congress and 19 others.
Hidden within a camouflage tent behind Jared Lee Loughner's home sits an alarming altar with a skull sitting atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges.
A row of ceremonial candles and a bag of potting soil lay nearby, photos reveal.
Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups.
Investigators have focused on Loughner's online anti-government ramblings as the chief motivation for the shooting Saturday of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.).
The discovery of the shrine raises the possibility that Loughner, 22, may have been driven by other forces
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz1AfEW608o
It doesn't have to be some government thought police. Thats my point. I'm talking about fostering an environment of hatred in politics today that provides a breeding ground for actions like this.
You can't sit there and tell me with a straight face that hyperbolic rhetoric comparing our current government to Nazi Germany or a Stalinist government don't add to that.
Even if this act wasn't directly related to any of that, I have to wonder what the it would take for politicians to contemplate the ramifications of what they say outside of electoral gains.
Didn't you link his youtube channel? You either don't understand the content of his book list or you don't understand the platform and grievances of those on the extreme right.
I'd like links to where I posted something contradictory about Hassan's motives. The thread is available for you to search, so it shouldn't be hard for you to do.
I agree with your characterization of today's political rhetoric. But where do you suppose the solution lies? It aint coming from individual citizens. If an attempt at a solution materializes at all, it will be a legislative one because that's all politicians know how to do.
Kaczynski attened major Harvard and Michigan, taught at a California ins ution before moving to a cabin. If I'm not mistaken, his moving to the cabin was because he was a luddite and not due to some aversion with people.
He absolutely did not grow to his belief structure in a vacuum.
It has to come from the citizens. Of course I have my doubts on whether or not this will happen ( about the rhetoric and what do you get - called a partisan hack or get told to stop applying blame) but that doesn't change that its a problem.
Legislation can't solve it for very obvious reasons. Thats simply a non starter. At some point people will need to hold their leaders responsible instead of letting anything your side says go because they happen to be on your god damn team.
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