What's Up With Tony Parker?

[Mel_13]

You say that now, because the Spurs are winning against soft teams. When they face a challenge and Tony isn't up to snuff, then there will be threads about where comments like yours are scarce.

Tony didn't suddenly become John Stockton or Rajon Rondo. He's a probing PG who looks to score first. If that were to suddenly change, we might as well use Chris Quinn, since he can pass the ball as well as Parker.

Tell us that this a some sort of joke. Your credibility is already hanging by a thread.

[urunobili]

All players go through stretches like this every year nothing to see there imo...

[DMC]

All players go through stretches like this every year nothing to see there imo...

But not every player gets caught up in a sexting scandal with an ex-teammate's wife and goes through a highly publicized divorce because of it.

Apples and oranges.

[DMC]

Tell us that this a some sort of joke. Your credibility is already hanging by a thread.

[Chomag]

I agree that the word "hate" gets used to easly for everything around here. I didn't see this thread as a Parker hate thread.

When my son gets a bad grade at school I question him on why, this does not mean I hate the Boy.

[Mel_13]

Ooooh, a butthurt kitty.

Now tell us about how Quinn is as good a passer as Parker.

[portnoy1]

Ooooh, a butthurt kitty.

Now tell us about how Quinn is as good a passer as Parker.

Their styles are different. Quinn keeps that ball moving, Tp usually doesnt. However quinn cant break a defense down like parker, so while tp has options quinn doesnt.

[DMC]

Ooooh, a butthurt kitty.

Now tell us about how Quinn is as good a passer as Parker.

If Quinn's minutes were averaged with Tony's, the difference would be around 2 assists per game. Tony is ranked 15th in the league in assists per game for PGs. It doesn't take a statistician to see that Tony is a score first PG. Tony is ranked 10th in PPG and 3rd in FG%, meaning he drives and scores in the paint (his jumper isn't that good).

Tony didn't win Finals MVP for his assists. You might as well make Duncan a PG since he's a great passer too... I mean, if you think Tony's role as scorer suddenly changed in the last few games.

[DMC]

Their styles are different. Quinn keeps that ball moving, Tp usually doesnt. However quinn cant break a defense down like parker, so while tp has options quinn doesnt.

Correct, but if it came down to who finds open shooters and makes accurate passes, I wouldn't put Tony at the top of the list. Add his ability to get into the heart of the defense and score, I would put Tony atop the list. If you just discard that and try to remold your superstar PG, you have a hard row to hoe.

[DMC]

Also Mel_13, are you the credibility score keeper too? You keep post count, post quality and now credibility scores... I guess then Gui ude needs to see you for his cred.

[Mel_13]

If Quinn's minutes were averaged with Tony's, the difference would be around 2 assists per game. Tony is ranked 15th in the league in assists per game for PGs.

APG as a measure of passing ability for a PG in the Spurs offense? Really? So you're ready to dismiss the difference between Quinn and Parker as passers as "just 2 apg"?

Try looking at assist % if just watching the game isn't enough for you.

It doesn't take a statistician to see that Tony is a score first PG. Tony is ranked 10th in PPG and 3rd in FG%, meaning he drives and scores in the paint (his jumper isn't that good).

Tony didn't win Finals MVP for his assists. You might as well make Duncan a PG since he's a great passer too... I mean, if you think Tony's role as scorer suddenly changed in the last few games.

This we all know. Irrelevant to the subject at hand.

[Mel_13]

You keep post count

That was you.

[DMC]

I agree that the word "hate" gets used to easly for everything around here. I didn't see this thread as a Parker hate thread.

When my son gets a bad grade at school I question him on why, this does not mean I hate the Boy.

Yeah, but you are dealing with extreme homerism here to the point where some kind of forced intervention is needed.

Any attempt at discussing players' issues here gets met with acidic and an almost delusional paranoia.

That's why this forum is such a big troll magnet, the users are ripe for the picking.

[DMC]

That was you.

Says the guy with over 300 posts in the last week.

[Mel_13]

Yep. Unless you edit your previous posts, it's there for all to read.

[DMC]

APG as a measure of passing ability for a PG in the Spurs offense? Really? So you're ready to dismiss the difference between Quinn and Parker as passers as "just 2 apg"?

I see, so you want to both have your cake and have eaten it.

The Spurs offense is Tony driving the lane and finding easy points which collapses the defense. That's the having your cake part... but wait it gets better...... but now you and others here contend that Tony is adopting a new role as a passer, so now the Spurs offense isn't the same as it was. No longer is Tony driving the paint and collapsing the defense. Now he's looking for open shooters from atop the key or just standing there with the ball. That's the eating of the cake.

Which is it? Either Tony is playing within the offense, which we all know what his role is there, or he's adopting a new approach. You cannot have it both ways.

Try looking at assist % if just watching the game isn't enough for you.

Why should I do that? Is that something else you are mandating? Why should I care what you think since you are just the score keeper anyhow?

This we all know. Irrelevant to the subject at hand.

It's very relevant. Tony didn't start this year off by being an assists leader. He was scoring like he always does, and in the process he was getting other people open looks. It's very relevant to look at Tony's role in the past successful years and extrapolate that to today. This is what the thread is predicated on in the first place. You start your own thread if you want to go a different direction and I will come along an 2 word it to death like you are doing mine.

[Mel_13]

I see, so you want to both have your cake and have eaten it.

The Spurs offense is Tony driving the lane and finding easy points which collapses the defense. That's the having your cake part... but wait it gets better...... but now you and others here contend that Tony is adopting a new role as a passer, so now the Spurs offense isn't the same as it was. No longer is Tony driving the paint and collapsing the defense. Now he's looking for open shooters from atop the key or just standing there with the ball. That's the eating of the cake.

Link to where I said any such thing. It would make it easier for you if had, but I didn't. So while some of the above may refer to other posters in this thread, it has nothing to do with me.

Which is it? Either Tony is playing within the offense, which we all know what his role is there, or he's adopting a new approach. You cannot have it both ways.

Again, link to where I tried to have it both ways.

Why should I do that? Is that something else you are mandating? Why should I care what you think since you are just the score keeper anyhow?

It might provide you with some insight on the Quinn/Parker issue that you raised.

It's very relevant. Tony didn't start this year off by being an assists leader. He was scoring like he always does, and in the process he was getting other people open looks.

Did I say anything to contradict those basic facts?

It's very relevant to look at Tony's role in the past successful years and extrapolate that to today. This is what the thread is predicated on in the first place.

That's what you say now

You start your own thread if you want to go a different direction and I will come along an 2 word it to death like you are doing mine.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Either he's simply going into a slump or Eva came over for tea.

[DMC]

Yep. Unless you edit your previous posts, it's there for all to read.

I never mentioned how many posts you have. I didn't go out and research your posts. You have obviously plenty of concern and time on your hands, or you are just the turd I mentioned before.

Keeping post score is showing how many posts someone has had in a given time frame. That's what you did. Own it.

[ohmwrecker]

You guys are missing something here . . . Tony has always been a good passer off penetration. The difference is that often his initial pass was moved around the perimeter more for the "best" shot. This year, the recipient of the initial pass is getting a better look. Coupled with Jefferson's improvement, Bonner's apparent dependability and the emergence of Neal, players are hitting more shots on first looks. The shooting has improved, but Tony's passing skills have always been there. In fact, he makes less errant passes than Manu, on the whole.

[DMC]

Link to where I said any such thing. It would make it easier for you if had, but I didn't. So while some of the above may refer to other posters in this thread, it has nothing to do with me.



Again, link to where I tried to have it both ways.



It might provide you with some insight on the Quinn/Parker issue that you raised.



Did I say anything to contradict those basic facts?



That's what you say now

That's just it, you have multiple posts here in this thread but you haven't actually said anything, but since you have leg ridden others I will group you in with their school of thought. If you don't like that, try branching out on your own, if that's not too much strain for you.

[spursfan09]

But not every player gets caught up in a sexting scandal with an ex-teammate's wife and goes through a highly publicized divorce because of it.

Apples and oranges.

Well considering all that, he's doing pretty well then don't you think?

[Mel_13]

I never mentioned how many posts you have. I didn't go out and research your posts. You have obviously plenty of concern and time on your hands, or you are just the turd I mentioned before.

Keeping post score is showing how many posts someone has had in a given time frame. That's what you did. Own it.

The evidence is in the thread.

[DMC]

You guys are missing something here . . . Tony has always been a good passer off penetration. The difference is that often his initial pass was moved around the perimeter more for the "best" shot. This year, the recipient of the initial pass is getting a better look. Coupled with Jefferson's improvement, Bonner's apparent dependability and the emergence of Neal, players are hitting more shots on first looks. The shooting has improved, but Tony's passing skills have always been there. In fact, he makes less errant passes than Manu, on the whole.

This is a good point. However I wasn't referring to the entire year. I was referring to the last 5 games or so. He hasn't seemed to want to attack the rim, and has been soft on defense.

I think Manu's errant passes are because he creates, and is always in motion.

[DMC]

The evidence is in the thread.

Goddamn do you ever shut up?




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