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[DMC]

Not sure if I'm unable to comprehend the sarcasm or if you're answering someone else's question.

Yep, I thought I quoted Cane.

Fixed.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Off to watch the Ravens game, hope you guys gained a fresh perspective on the D-Rob-Hakeem matter

[Blackjack]

lol people comparing Duncan's game to Kobe's game for no reason. That's like comparing Bill Russell to Jerry West...and you guys claim to be knowledgeable

No one did. I don't have a problem with anyone making the argument that Olajuwon deserves to rank above Robinson in the all-time hierarchy -- I believe he had the more dominant peak and deserves such respect. But the separation isn't nearly as great as it's been made out to be, largely on account of one playoff series -- one that wasn't decided by some one-on-one matchup played in a vacuum (see: Hill, Bob; Rodman, Dennis).

[Cessation]

olajuwon > drob

[Mel_13]

Off to watch the Ravens game, hope you guys gained a fresh perspective on the D-Rob-Hakeem matter

Captain Pyrite declaring victory and taking his leave.

[ShoogarBear]

Are you that blind of a Spurs homer? The Dream averaged more rebounds, blocks, and steals than D-Rob. He has 2 DPOY's to D-Rob's 1.

Do you have any empirical evidence to prove D-Rob was better?

Here come the Hollinger minions...

It's going to be tough to have a discussion with someone who understands the game so superficially as to think that defense = stats.

I actually watched both of their entire careers, Robinson, despite inferior teammates, made his team better defensively. This doesn't take away from how good Olajuwon was.

[awktalk]

Can we get this guy back into the lineup?

What a freak this guy was. I remember him then, we took it for granted because there were so many great centers then, but what a guy like this would do for a team today is unbelievable.

Whoever that "Admiral" guy is reminds me of a black Tiago Splitter.

[mazerrackham]

I provide statistical and visual evidence that Hakeem was better than David, and I get flamed. Don't get angry guys, Hakeem was just better. Life goes on.

Stay classy, Spurfan

You're pretty good about debating for a Laker fan, and I enjoy many of your posts but you get defensive too easily. You should let people that respond to you without debating with what they deserve: ignoring. Its always a shame when a debate turns into flaming and bashing.

[ShoogarBear]

No one did. I don't have a problem with anyone making the argument that Olajuwon deserves to rank above Robinson in the all-time hierarchy -- I believe he had the more dominant peak and deserves such respect. But the separation isn't nearly as great as it's been made out to be, largely on account of one playoff series -- one that wasn't decided by some one-on-one matchup played in a vacuum (see: Hill, Bob; Rodman, Dennis).

The problem is this discussion wasn't about the 95 series, or whether Drob > Olajuwon. There are legitimate reasons to say that at their most dominant, Olajuwon was better.

The original question was strictly on the basis of defense. On that, I still contend Robinson was better.

[DMC]

Whoever that "Admiral" guy is reminds me of a black Tiago Splitter.

Did you know a black Tiago? If not, how can you be reminded of one?

[DMC]

Off to watch the Ravens game, hope you guys gained a fresh perspective on the D-Rob-Hakeem matter

That looks like a big green penis with legs in your avatar. Is that intentional?

[Blackjack]

The problem is this discussion wasn't about the 95 series, or whether Drob > Olajuwon. There are legitimate reasons to say that at their most dominant, Olajuwon was better.

The original question was strictly on the basis of defense. On that, I still contend Robinson was better.

Tough call. I'd definitely agree what Robinson accomplished defensively -- what he made his team accomplish defensively as a direct result of -- was more impressive. It's hard for me to believe that anyone speculating on the subject without experiencing all or the vast majority of D-Rob's career (his supporting cast) can truly appreciate or comprehend how indispensable and valuable he was to his team.

Olajuwon's agility on both ends was ridiculous. I think that's the only real area where I think he had an edge. He was just a more fluid and coordinated athlete -- not to say Dave was a slouch or anything, just a tribute to how gifted Olajuwon was in that respect. In some ways, it's a little like the TD-KG defensive comparison -- the versatility vis a vis a more prototypical defensive team anchor; Olajuwon was obviously a much better shot blocker than KG and Dave was a more versatile athlete than Tim being the main differences.

There's definitely an argument to be made for Dave. Like I said, tough call . . .


R.I.P. whottt. ... The debate doesn't seem the same without you.

[spurs10]

How did Olajuwon get 2 DPOY's and D-Rob only 1?

Olajuwon was absolutely incredible, as was Mr.Robinson...two of the best to ever play the game.

[ShoogarBear]

Tough call. I'd definitely agree what Robinson accomplished defensively -- what he made his team accomplish defensively as a direct result of -- was more impressive. It's hard for me to believe that anyone speculating on the subject without experiencing all or the vast majority of D-Rob's career (his supporting cast) can truly appreciate or comprehend how indispensable and valuable he was to his team.

Which is why input from Laker Fan who can't name a player before Kobe should be easily discounted.

R.I.P. whottt. ... The debate doesn't seem the same without you.

Indeed.

[Waps1980]

Dream>Robinson 1on1 most of the time, but look at the entire season Robinson would have had other centers he crushed that the dream didn't play so well on and the dream had centers he crushed that Robinson didn't play so well on.

There stats are so close you can't pick a winner.
Robinson had a better shooting % that's about it

[jjktkk]

Hakeem was one of the best post players ever. That was DROB's one weakness, lack of a true post up game.

[jjktkk]

Wilt was the better defender out of him and Russell, so Robinson was probably third best center defender.

Shocked to hear you say Wilt was a better defender than Russell. Disagree, Russell was a better defender than Chamberlain.

[DMC]

Nah, neither of them had any blocks...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

How fun would young David Robinson going against Blake Griffin be to watch?

[ohmwrecker]

Wilt blocked more shots than Russell. And Wilt was more mobile than most guards which made is easy for him to guard any player on the court, although he mostly defended inside. Both Russell and Chamberlain were better athletes than Robinson, although Russell was smaller.

Jeez . . . that's pretty tough to quantify . . . all three of those guys were stupendous athletes for their size. Wilt and Dave almost freakishly so.

[DMC]

How fun would young David Robinson going against Blake Griffin be to watch?

Dave against Howard. I would pay good money for that.

[ButtHurt Committee]

Only thing I remember about that scrub was him getting his knocked in the dirt. I heard he was gay, too.

[ChuckD]

Wilt blocked more shots than Russell. And Wilt was more mobile than most guards which made is easy for him to guard any player on the court, although he mostly defended inside. Both Russell and Chamberlain were better athletes than Robinson, although Russell was smaller.

That's actually unknowable since the NBA didn't keep that stat during their careers.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Which is why input from Laker Fan who can't name a player before Kobe should be easily discounted.



Indeed.

You're right...Laker basketball ceased to exist before Kobe Bryant. Sick burn, brah.

[Mel_13]

You're right...Laker basketball ceased to exist before Kobe Bryant. Sick burn, brah.

To be precise, he didn't imply that Laker basketball didn't exist before Kobe, merely that you're ignorant of anything before KB's arrival in LA.