Our Frontline of the Future

[cutewizard]

Tiago at center, Blair at power forward....

Unless personnel changes occur, this is our frontline of the future!

Comments guys?

[Mel_13]

Personnel changes occurring.

[ChuckD]

Personnel changes occurring.

Yeah, Tiago ain't much, and Blair's knees are grinding on each other as we speak. His career won't last long, which is why he dropped to #37.

Our frontline of the future is waiting to be acquired/drafted.

[SenorSpur]

Possibly, but who is the SF?

Tyler Honeycutt of UCLA?

[K-State Spur]

Yeah, Tiago ain't much, and Blair's knees are grinding on each other as we speak. His career won't last long, which is why he dropped to #37.

Our frontline of the future is waiting to be acquired/drafted.

While Blair's knees are definitely a risk, there's no telling how long his career will last. The fear regarding it for most teams was more that they have no idea what will happen (it's basically unprecedented) as opposed to that they KNOW his career will be cut short.

It should be noted than John Elway played an entire career in a much rougher sport without an ACL in one knee - which never gave out on him.

[Ocotillo]

We have to get Blake Griffin or sink to the lottery and hope lightning strikes a third time.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Ryan Richards!

[ChuckD]

Team: New York Knicks

Team: dumbass

[ChuckD]

While Blair's knees are definitely a risk, there's no telling how long his career will last. The fear regarding it for most teams was more that they have no idea what will happen (it's basically unprecedented) as opposed to that they KNOW his career will be cut short.

It should be noted than John Elway played an entire career in a much rougher sport without an ACL in one knee - which never gave out on him.

John Elway was a QB. DB is an NBA PF, constantly pogo-ing up and down off the floor and running full out up and down the wooden court for 82 games a season. The Spurs themselves have been quoted as saying his career would be short. The lack of stability causes the knees to flex and wobble too much, wearing holes into the cartilage and causing the knees to go bone on bone at a very young age. What is happening to Brandon Roy right now is a picture of DeJuan's future: dual knee cartilage surgeries. Roy has a better prognosis, though, because his knees are structurally stable. Even if DeJuan gets his cartilage fixed, his unstable knees will continue to wear though it, causing further problems. He will probably require dual micro-fracture surgeries down the road on both knees, and I'm not sure anyone has had that and come back with a meaningful career.

[ChuckD]

I know you are.

Yeah, your 15 ain't showin' at all, guitar

[spursfaninla]

John Elway was a QB. DB is an NBA PF, constantly pogo-ing up and down off the floor and running full out up and down the wooden court for 82 games a season. The Spurs themselves have been quoted as saying his career would be short. The lack of stability causes the knees to flex and wobble too much, wearing holes into the cartilage and causing the knees to go bone on bone at a very young age. What is happening to Brandon Roy right now is a picture of DeJuan's future: dual knee cartilage surgeries. Roy has a better prognosis, though, because his knees are structurally stable. Even if DeJuan gets his cartilage fixed, his unstable knees will continue to wear though it, causing further problems. He will probably require dual micro-fracture surgeries down the road on both knees, and I'm not sure anyone has had that and come back with a meaningful career.

This is the first time I am reading anyone explaining why the instability in Blair's knees would cause cartilage wear problems. I am not doubting you, and I am not trying to be lazy by asking you for some sources.

I keep up, and I have not seen anyone saying that yet. Ever.

I have read and heard interviews with people saying the lack of ACL's could cause a knee injury, but directly related to knee stability, such as knee sprains or tears, rather than cartilage damage. Further, I read in an article about ACL surgery that after such surgery, people are susceptible to early onset joint degeneration.

The following link indicates that cartilage damage after an ACL is usually actually caused by the initial trauma to the ACL that also damaged cartilage at the same time, resulting in (essentially) arthritis:
http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/sep09/clinical3.asp

It looks like this website agrees with you, indicating that joint instability is one factor leading to arthritis:

http://www.caringmedical.com/symptom...ndition_id=427

[ChuckD]

This is the first time I am reading anyone explaining why the instability in Blair's knees would cause cartilage wear problems. I am not doubting you, and I am not trying to be lazy by asking you for some sources.

I keep up, and I have not seen anyone saying that yet. Ever.

I have read and heard interviews with people saying the lack of ACL's could cause a knee injury, but directly related to knee stability, such as knee sprains or tears, rather than cartilage damage. Further, I read in an article about ACL surgery that after such surgery, people are susceptible to early onset joint degeneration.

The following link indicates that cartilage damage after an ACL is usually actually caused by the initial trauma to the ACL that also damaged cartilage at the same time, resulting in (essentially) arthritis:
http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/sep09/clinical3.asp

It looks like this website agrees with you, indicating that joint instability is one factor leading to arthritis:

http://www.caringmedical.com/symptom...ndition_id=427

I didn't come up with this, I read it in an interview, I think it was with RC Buford. I don't feel like looking it up, but you can if you're that interested.

[honestfool84]

let's focus on the now and not the then.

[itzsoweezee]

John Elway was a QB. DB is an NBA PF, constantly pogo-ing up and down off the floor and running full out up and down the wooden court for 82 games a season. The Spurs themselves have been quoted as saying his career would be short. The lack of stability causes the knees to flex and wobble too much, wearing holes into the cartilage and causing the knees to go bone on bone at a very young age. What is happening to Brandon Roy right now is a picture of DeJuan's future: dual knee cartilage surgeries. Roy has a better prognosis, though, because his knees are structurally stable. Even if DeJuan gets his cartilage fixed, his unstable knees will continue to wear though it, causing further problems. He will probably require dual micro-fracture surgeries down the road on both knees, and I'm not sure anyone has had that and come back with a meaningful career.

You sound full of .

[ChuckD]

You sound full of .

Thanks. Have a nice day.

[mingus]

Who knows with Splitter... I think he can adapt to the NBA and be a solid 13-8-1.5 guy in the future. He has the athleticism and height to make it, he just doesn't have any offense right now. He's been able to get away with that pussy hookshot in Europe, it's up to him whether or not he can develope a hookshot and maybe take his game out to 10 feet from the basket.

Dejuan...i don't think he'll be in the NBA for much longer. maybe he can play 2 more years. i think after that his knees give out like Brandon Roy's are right now.

The guy i'm like forward to seeing is Ryan Richards. From what i've seen, he has great handles--Lamar Odom esque--for a big. He just has game, and it looks like it comes naturally for him. You can't teach guys his size 6-11 to dribble and move the way he does. i think he's a great prospect and will be one of those guys that in the future will be seen as a huge steal.

a Splitter/Richards frontcourt doesn't sound too bad if everything pans out for them.

it'd be great if Dwight Howard would sign here nce he can opt out... pretty sure every team does though.

[mingus]

i really don't even want to think about a Spurs' frontcourt without the Big Fundamental though. it pains me to have to realize it's not too far off.

[PBEEZY]

Once Duncan retires, we tank for a year and get another HOF big....problem?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

a Splitter/Richards frontcourt doesn't sound too bad if everything pans out for them.

A Love/Darko/Beasely frontcourt is leading the Wolves to the 14th place in the West and 28th in the NBA.

Just a bit of perspective.

[K-State Spur]

John Elway was a QB. DB is an NBA PF, constantly pogo-ing up and down off the floor and running full out up and down the wooden court for 82 games a season. The Spurs themselves have been quoted as saying his career would be short. The lack of stability causes the knees to flex and wobble too much, wearing holes into the cartilage and causing the knees to go bone on bone at a very young age. What is happening to Brandon Roy right now is a picture of DeJuan's future: dual knee cartilage surgeries. Roy has a better prognosis, though, because his knees are structurally stable. Even if DeJuan gets his cartilage fixed, his unstable knees will continue to wear though it, causing further problems. He will probably require dual micro-fracture surgeries down the road on both knees, and I'm not sure anyone has had that and come back with a meaningful career.

1) You're right in the Elway situation being some different variables - was mainly just using that as an example of an athlete who played on that and the knee didn't simply fall off at a given point in time. Blair certainly does more running and cutting. At the same time, the players defending him won't be diving at his knees (at least not most of the time) and attempt to bring him to the ground.

2) I'd love to see that Spurs quote - because I have never seen it and don't think it exists.

3) There are a lot of people throwing around the dreaded D word with Roy (as in degenerative) - which has not been labeled to Blair at this point in time. There are obviously structural issues, but the lack of ACLs are more likely to lead to future knee injuries as opposed to being an actual injury in and of themselves. Using Roy's actual knee issues at this point in time is a bit of a strawman.

[Dex]

Well, there's always Ian Mahin....wait.

[ChuckD]

3) There are a lot of people throwing around the dreaded D word with Roy (as in degenerative) - which has not been labeled to Blair at this point in time. There are obviously structural issues, but the lack of ACLs are more likely to lead to future knee injuries as opposed to being an actual injury in and of themselves. Using Roy's actual knee issues at this point in time is a bit of a strawman.

??? That's all I'm really saying: he will have problems down the road. The comparison to Roy was strictly that it will be both knees, not that they are in any way similar now. Roy is a signpost.

[K-State Spur]

??? That's all I'm really saying: he will have problems down the road. The comparison to Roy was strictly that it will be both knees, not that they are in any way similar now. Roy is a signpost.

But there still has to be an event to lead to the injury (as opposed to Roy where just regular wear and tear will likely be his undoing) - where the ACLs aren't there to protect him. You could argue that this is a likelihood in a contact sport like basketball - but not an assured occurrence.

[tuncaboylu]

But Portland used Roy too much (nearly 40 minutes per game)and it may be a factor. We're using Blair nearly 20 minutes per game and by a small calculation he can play double year of Roy(which means nearly 10 years)

[mingus]

But Portland used Roy too much (nearly 40 minutes per game)and it may be a factor. We're using Blair nearly 20 minutes per game and by a small calculation he can play double year of Roy(which means nearly 10 years)

You also have to consider Blair weighs a lot more than Roy. More stress on his knees.