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...in any way responsible for the shootings in Tucson last Saturday?
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Define "play a role."
I can see how some right wing rhetoric may have influenced his world view, just as left wing rhetoric and whatever-the- -Alex-Jones-et.-al.-are rhetoric may have influenced it.
"Responsible" is a whole different kettle of fish. That bag is responsible for his actions.
Why limit it to right-wing?
The poll question is both meaningless and impossible to answer.
Because that was the charge being leveled by Krugman, Dupnik, Matthews, et. al.
But you and others are charging that he is left wing.
How so? Either you believe right-wing rhetoric incited the violence, you don't, or you don't know. Seems all possible answers are available.
You demanded cer ude.
How are you so sure?
can't say for sure, but assigning some responsibillity to the right-wing violent speech, hate media, and slander of Barry, is more reasonable than the the right-wing "victims" throw and non-right-wingers.
right-wingers are niot man enough, typically "skirting" all repsonsiblity for anything the up, to admit they, overwhelmingly, poisoned social/religious/political dialog these past 30 years.
Short answer yes with an if, long answer no with a but...
I don't think it can be known, which isn't a possibility reflected in any of your poll options.
Nor do any provide for the opinion that Loughner's actions may have been in some way related to the long term degeneration of civil discourse in favor of reducing all disagreements to either/or binaries -- yes/no, right/wrong, evil/virtuous, them/us, etc. (kind of like how this poll attempts to reduce a complicated and nuanced set of cir stances to positions of blame, no blame, or ignorance) -- without having been directly influenced by any one rhetorical moment or device.
Refreshing to see you didn't refute the meaningless part, though.
here ya go, Yoni, here's Your People
13% of Tea Partiers Say Violence Against Government Is Justified
Public Policy Polling for Daily Kos. 1/14-16. Registered voters. MoE 3.1% (No trend lines)
Do you think violence against the current American government is justified or not?
Justified Not Justified
All 6 82
Tea Party 13 75
Non Tea Party 4 86
That's 13 percent of teabaggers who are this close to becoming domestic terrorists. It's a frightening figure, and one that portends more violence ahead unless the Right puts a brake on its violent rhetoric and paranoid conspiracy theories.
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This kind of paranoia used to fringe, like 1.3% not 13%. Now the VRWC/Repugs/conservatives have pushed paranoia into the mainstream. Thanks a lot, mother ers.
More of Yoni's People
Right-Wing Terrorism: Murders Grow on the Far Right
The landscape of America is littered with bodies.
They’ve been gunned down in Tucson, shot to death at the Pentagon, and blown away at the Holocaust Museum, as well as in Wichita, Knoxville, Pittsburgh, Brockton, and Okaloosa County, Florida.
Total body count for these incidents: 19 dead, 26 wounded.
Not much, you might say, when taken in the context of about 30,000 gun-related deaths annually nationwide. As it happens, though, these murders over the past couple of years have some common threads. All involved white gunmen with ties to racist or right-wing groups or who harbored deep su ions of “the government.” Many involved the killing of police officers.
http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/149551
I think it's knowable and so, my poll reflects all the answers I think possible. Seems like you should answer "I don't know." But, that's up to you.
Tea Party members score only 7 points higher than the general population with a MOE of 3%.
I don't think that spin is working out quite like you might want it to.
^^^^^This^^^^^ +10
Forgive me for not trusting a DailyKos, "State of the Nation" poll.Tea Party members score only 7 points higher than the general population with a MOE of 3%.
I don't think that spin is working out quite like you might want it to.
Then, it seems your answer to the question, "Was Right-Wing Political Rhetoric in any way responsible for the shootings in Tucson last Saturday?" would be "Yes."
No, I don't think it can be answered yes or no with any accuracy.
CF was suggesting everything's overdetermined. That's not the same as blaming it all on the right-wing.
There are those of us who think this specific question can be answered yes or no. For those of you who can't, there's the "I don't know" option.
But I do know. I know that the question cannot be answered yes or no with any accuracy.
If you had included "I can't know", then you might have something.
See, you don't know that. It is knowable. Loughner is alive and in custody.
Do your own poll, I think it's something that knowable and, therefore, an "I can't know" isn't appropriate.
You can argue over the construct of my poll all day, but, in the end, I think the allowed answers cover all options. If you don't, don't participate. It's a free country.
We'll see just how "knowable" it really is. You're assuming that Loughner has a reason predicated upon a rational thought process.
I have no desire to create a poll that accomplishes nothing.
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