perfect example of why its bull to call Manning a choker, bad leader, etc... despite having had plenty of solid performances in the playoffs that still resulted in losses (similar to what Brady had in this game). gotta have a complete team to win consistently in the playoffs. it was clear that the patriots defense was lacking immensely, as well as a mediocre receiving core. overall, brady actually put together a good performance, and while he had a couple mistakes, he still did what he could to keep his team in a position to win, while despite the mistakes the defense had made all day, they continued to make mistakes and up any further chances of Brady leading them to victory.
despite these two guys going out in their first games this year, they both in their respective games, did what they could to put their teams in a position to win (despite whatever mistakes they personally made in the game - in Mannings situation, trying to audible to force the run game to work, in Brady's situation, the turnovers), which what your QB is supposed to do.
best two QBs of all time. hopefully we can get one more chance to see them have an epic playoff duel
crofl
sanchez going for 3 TDs was absolutely pathetic of the defense.
When people talk about the Patriots 3 les in 4 years, a lot of people just say "Brady/Belichick." As great as those guys were during those superbowls, they had a top notch D to fall back on. Without an elite Defense, Pats don't win 3 in 4. That D could pressure the qb and constantly force turnovers. It was their ultimate strength.perfect example of why its bull to call Manning a choker, bad leader, etc... despite having had plenty of solid performances in the playoffs that still resulted in losses (similar to what Brady had in this game). gotta have a complete team to win consistently in the playoffs. it was clear that the patriots defense was lacking immensely, as well as a mediocre receiving core. overall, brady actually put together a good performance, and while he had a couple mistakes, he still did what he could to keep his team in a position to win, while despite the mistakes the defense had made all day, they continued to make mistakes and up any further chances of Brady leading them to victory.
despite these two guys going out in their first games this year, they both in their respective games, did what they could to put their teams in a position to win (despite whatever mistakes they personally made in the game - in Mannings situation, trying to audible to force the run game to work, in Brady's situation, the turnovers), which what your QB is supposed to do.
best two QBs of all time. hopefully we can get one more chance to see them have an epic playoff duel
Brady had an off game, but those will happen. If you have to rely on your O that much, you aren't winning much in the playoffs. You need a D that can generate sacks and turnovers.
Oh and Manning is still the best qb in the game. Brady is right behind him. Manning is the coach/offensive coordinator of that team. He has no run game and not all that good of a D.
Brady did play terrible, tho. He was so indecisive with the football it was ridiculous. The coverage was good, but every replay I saw Brady had a reasonably open man. An elite QB is supposed to make those thread the needle passes, and he was too scared to even try them half the time. at least 3 of those sacks were on Brady.
The defense is the youngest in the league and they've shown a ton of potential. They've also choked hard 2 years in a row in the playoffs. I don't know what to make of that.
I do know that now Belichick has absolutely no excuse if he doesn't bring in a top notch pass rusher. Two straight years of Tully Banta got Cain doing jack isn't cutting it. Cunningham isn't ready, and in the end he'll be a nice player but certainly not the sack machine we need.
Agree on Manning, disagree on Brady.
Manning did all he could to get points out of an injured team, Brady not so much.
In the first half, the Jets brought 4 rushers, sometimes 5 and Brady couldn't figure out where the last one was coming from. Couldn't get out of the pocket, and was ready to go to the ground easily. In the second half, the Jets mostly brought 3 rushers and Brady had great protection, all day to throw and couldn't hit his receivers. The throw to Branch which was mistimed and behind Branch was a perfect example. There were a few other throws which were off target.
You give Aaron Rodgers that much time, he is either going to find a guy downfield or pick up yardage with his legs. Sorry, but Brady looked very human in this game. Still a great QB, but this wasn't the game that showcased his greatness.
Brady sucked major donkey ass
After he threw that early INT, I knew his confidence would go down the drain
Let's face it, the real clutch player for NE was Adam Viniateri
the actual TD passes themselves weren't all that bad. One miracle catch by Santonio, one jump ball that Braylon obviously won (no CB in the world is stopping that imo), and an illegal pick to get LT wide open.
it was just the ty defense before that, and the ING HORRIBLE special teams play that was the bigger problem.
Also, I'd question how "elite" the defenses in the past were. As a unit they were elite yes, but talentwise how elite were they really?
Put it this way, how many dynasty era Patriots are going to the Hall Of Fame?
Brady and Vinatieri are locks. After that?
Bruschi - maybe
Ty Law - maybe
Harrison - doubtful
Vrabel - doubtful
McGinest - doubtful
I can't even think of another player on those teams that deserves mention. The defense worked great as a unit, but talentwise I honestly think the Patriots defense right now has more actual talent than those dynasty era Pats defenses. They're just young, raw, and obviously need to work on their football IQ.
We do have some nice young guys on the D, but this team is in need of a few pass rushers. They have draft picks to use on some or they can trade for one. We all saw it Sunday. They didn't even sack Sanchez ONCE! the reason why the D didn't look worse is cuz of Sanchez's bad throws at times.
Well that's what I meant. The overall unit was elite. Mcginnis,Seymour, Warren,Wilfork,Bruchi, Vrabel,Samuel,Harrison,Law etc.
None of them will be the GOAT, but they each had skills that worked damn well with this D and Belichick was able to utilize them.
I agree with this assessment. It's definitely arguable that the total talent now is higher than it was in those days, but I don't know if there has ever been a defense that played as well as an entire unit as those Pats defenes did, not to mention that even though they werent extremely talented, several of them were right in their primes all at the same time as well, so they were playing some of the best football of their career. Sometimes you just can't put a price on IQ and team play.
I used to hate on them and the Patriots as a whole, but in all honesty, that unit was just amazing as a whole though. They set the golden standard for what it means to work together as a team, both on offense and defense.
Agree with your point, but your one example doesn't support it. With that pass to Branch, Brady did receive pressure and he rushed his throw. It wasn't a sharp pass. But I subscribe to the idea that if the football hits the receiver in both of his hands in the field of play, he should catch the ball.
Let's not forget the four points loss when Crumpler dropped a sure TD. It's one or two plays in the football game that can change the entire course of the rest of the game. If New England scores a TD instead of a FG there, I think we see a different game.
That doesn't absolve Brady. I agree with you about the second half and him having pretty much all day to pass for much of it. He kept looking for the perfect pass or big play pass and really avoided throwing it at a receiver with just "good" coverage on him. The great QBs find a way to get it to their receivers even with good coverage on them.
You're right, I just had a look at that play again and the Jets brought 5 rushers. But I guess we agree that a great QB with that much time should be able to pick the defense apart
I still say give Manning a solid defense and that Colts team would be a dynasty easy. Last few times the Colts lost in the playoffs, other than the Super Bowl against the Saints, Manning's played pretty well but the defense broke down in the 4th quarter. The Colts had leads in most of those games and just couldn't hang on. That's what happens when you play a "bend but dont break" style on defense, eventually it's going to break. Give Manning a "smack you in the mouth" type of defense and he'd easily get two more rings, probably back to back.
He's a free agent now too. If I were him I'd make the Colts promise to get a real defensive coordinator and blow up that scheme or else threaten to take his talents to South Beach.
In all honesty, Elway >> Manning and Brady, but ya, I agree that those guys are pretty good..
Also, if you watch the reply of that play from another angle, you can see that Brady threw that pass right on the money, it was actually Branch who for no reason at all overran the route and put himself in a position where he had to do a strange jump for the ball. If he had came straight to the ball like he should have, it was an easy catch, but instead he kept floating to the sideline and got himself out of position.
Replace Worthlessburger with Manning or Brady, and the Steelers have probably 4-5 Superbowls instead of 2.
that's a stretch.
either you are trolling (which is what im inclined to believe), or you are a ing dumbass
that reply only works cleverly against Stretch.
lol oden
The Pats went out because Brady played like garbage too. Were his numbers decent? Sure. But apart from the first two drives, and the TD scoring one, they couldn't move the ball when it mattered.
Fwiw, Belichick got outcoached too.
Honestly, the defense did as well as I expected them to. They were on short field position the entire first half. Heck, the Jets didn't even get any pts off that first INT. Could've been a blowout much quicker if not for that.
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