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    It was not about Obamacare and Obama is not letting it become law.
    Yes it was, and -- if he doesn't -- it's on him, Mr. One Term.

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    In other words, it was a show. If they have to wait two years (or until they have control of both chambers), then might as well propose and discuss it then.

    This thing was dead on arrival right now. Merely posturing and a waste of time.

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    Yes it was, and -- if he doesn't -- it's on him, Mr. One Term.
    That bravado didn't work to get them both chambers... don't know why you think it will force the president to sign off on a repeal.

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    That bravado didn't work to get them both chambers... don't know why you think it will force the president to sign off on a repeal.
    I don't know that it will but, I think HR-2 needs to make the rounds. That's why I and a majority of Americans sent Republicans back to Washington.

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    I don't know that it will but, I think HR-2 needs to make the rounds. That's why I and a majority of Americans sent Republicans back to Washington.
    It won't even get to the senate floor. Should have sent more Republicans...

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    It won't even get to the senate floor. Should have sent more Republicans...
    D'okie dokie, we'll see. You may be right but, there are ways to get it to the Senate floor if the rules are used right.

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    D'okie dokie, we'll see. You may be right but, there are ways to get it to the Senate floor if the rules are used right.
    Doesn't matter either way. That thing is not going through. Just a show.

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    Doesn't matter either way. That thing is not going through. Just a show.
    And, you repeat yourself. I've already allowed you may be right but, I disagree it's a show.

    And, there are ways to bring it to a vote in its current form.

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    For another show?

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    You owe this bill an apology, ElNono.

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    You owe this bill an apology, ElNono.
    I guess enough Americans didn't want Obamacare repealed, thus didn't flip enough Senate seats...

    I don't particularly like the Obamacare bill. I also don't particularly like my tax dollars wasted on a show.

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    Watching Jan Brewer act as a one-woman death panel in Arizona has shown me what Republican solutions must look like.

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    I guess enough Americans didn't want Obamacare repealed, thus didn't flip enough Senate seats...

    I don't particularly like the Obamacare bill. I also don't particularly like my tax dollars wasted on a show.
    You'd rather it be wasted on bottomless pit government spending?

    Have you check the deficits lately? I believe the Obama deficits are greater than all previous deficits combined.

    I would be happy if Washington came to a ing standstill.

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    You'd rather it be wasted on bottomless pit government spending?

    Have you check the deficits lately? I believe the Obama deficits are greater than all previous deficits combined.

    I would be happy if Washington came to a ing standstill.
    You should have sent Republicans in to do that, then.

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    You'd rather it be wasted on bottomless pit government spending?

    Have you check the deficits lately? I believe the Obama deficits are greater than all previous deficits combined.

    I would be happy if Washington came to a ing standstill.
    Now the GOP can botch any new deficit spending... you know, like extension of tax cuts?

    But, no, I don't want Washington to come to a ing standstill. I want Washington to ing work for the their salaries. Both sides.

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    Now the GOP can botch any new deficit spending... you know, like extension of tax cuts?
    Shouldn't en ber money you don't have.

    But, no, I don't want Washington to come to a ing standstill. I want Washington to ing work for the their salaries. Both sides.
    I can see that. Even if it adds to the deficit and erodes our freedoms.

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    Shouldn't en ber money you don't have.
    Still grows the deficit.

    I can see that. Even if it adds to the deficit and erodes our freedoms.
    Well, we have the Tea Party now to make sure there's no more increases in spending, right?

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    Still grows the deficit.
    Not the fault of the taxpayer who will use that money to buy, hire, produce, save, and invest.

    Well, we have the Tea Party now to make sure there's no more increases in spending, right?
    The House just proposed $2.5 Trillion in cuts. Seems like a great start.

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    Not the fault of the taxpayer who will use that money to buy, hire, produce, save, and invest.
    The same taxpayer needs to stop crying about growing deficits, then.

    The House just proposed $2.5 Trillion in cuts. Seems like a great start.
    I'll settle for $1 trillion if they can reach an agreement. I rather some cuts get done than none. We'll see if the GOP is willing to compromise. It's their bill after all.

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    The same taxpayer needs to stop crying about growing deficits, then.
    No, they're doing the proper thing and telling the government to quit spending.

    Only in Bizzarro world does it make sense to blame those supplying the money for the excesses of those spending it.

    I'll settle for $1 trillion if they can reach an agreement. I rather some cuts get done than none. We'll see if the GOP is willing to compromise. It's their bill after all.
    We'll see. But, the cuts offered far exceed anything that might be lost due to not raising taxes.

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    .wrong thread

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    No, they're doing the proper thing and telling the government to quit spending.

    Only in Bizzarro world does it make sense to blame those supplying the money for the excesses of those spending it.
    I have no problem with the tax cuts. It's very Keynesian and a good stimulus package. I have a problem with people ing about passing stuff that increases the deficit, like said extension of tax cuts.

    We'll see. But, the cuts offered far exceed anything that might be lost due to not raising taxes.
    Depends on what you tax and how much you tax it. Again, I don't think those cuts, especially the Obamacare portion of the cuts, will survive the Senate nor the President. But I'm hoping the GOP is willing to compromise on some of the other cuts with the Dems so some cuts do pass.

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    As I see it, Yoni is essentially arguing that it is better for government to remain gridlocked and do nothing at all, while ElNono would rather government take its job seriously and do certain things well.

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    As I see it, Yoni is essentially arguing that it is better for government to remain gridlocked and do nothing at all, while ElNono would rather government take its job seriously and do certain things well.
    If only government did anything well.

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    If only government did anything well.
    Now Yoni is on record stating that the govt does nothing well.

    got it

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