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of course he has been great. But the fact that he is a ballhog, in my mind, takes him far away from comparing him to top PGs
agree. He is looking for his success first rather than the team's success
Rose seems to do the opposite
of course he has been great. But the fact that he is a ballhog, in my mind, takes him far away from comparing him to top PGs
yup. thats my impression too when i saw the bulls game vs the heat & then the mavs. both nationally televised games, usually in these type of games any young star will try hard to impress. rose wasnt forcing anything. kid gets it.
kobe guarded rondo. i guess kobe's a nobody. well in defense yeah you do make a point afterall.,Rose was the best PG by the end of last season with Deron as a close number 2. The Rondo hype was hilarious, though. Exposed in the finals while being guarded by nobody.
Russell Westbrook 17.5 FGA 8.1 FTA
Derrick Rose 20.3 FGA 6.0 FTA
Is Derrick Rose a ballhog?
Derrick Rose does not have Kevin Durant or a player even close to that in his team.
Checkmate!Derrick Rose does not have Kevin Durant or a player even close to that in his team.
derrick rose is the bulls only 1st option and maybe its best second option as well. westbrook plays with a volume scorer.
And Kevin Durant still puts up 20 shots a game. Beyond Durant, the Thunder don't have other great scorers. Nice role players, but no one else. Who else is going to put up shots after Durant? Thabo Sefolosha? Serge Ibaka? Plus, Durant struggled early on in the year, shooting around 40-42% from the field through much of November.Derrick Rose does not have Kevin Durant or a player even close to that in his team.
Can Westbrook be a ballhog? Sure. So can Rose. So can a lot of great players. Westbrook is averaging over 8 assists a game. Durant averages 20 field goal attempts a game. Is Westbrook always a ballhog? Hard to argue that he is.
Rose tries hard to get his teamates involved. To the point where I say he SHOULD be more selfish.
Westbrook doesn't try at all. To the point where Durant is being wasted offensively.
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IMO you could take any of the top 8 and they all bring something to the table.
Under-rated re Parker is his much better defense this year and also his team record is at the top of the league.
My own top 5
Paul - still the best
Williams - not the pub of Rose but everybit as good
Rose - he is surprisingly consistent and backing up his own MVP trash talk at the beginning of the year
Parker - he is so under-rated it is not funny, but he still breaks down defenses as well as anyone in the league and is shooting over 50% again.
Westbrooke - I think he is better than Rondo (who along with Nash would be the next two) as I think there is more and more evidence that Rondo's assists stats are inflated and the team did very well without him for an extended stretch.
Nash is hard to discount statistically but he is such a poor defender and his team has dropped like a comet sans Amare.
Someone else is starting to really bring it is a revived Baron Davis who has lost weight and when healthy can go head to head with anyone above in any series and will show no fear.
I'd also like to add that Rose is forced to take more shots for the simple fact that
A. Carlos Boozer (Who was designated as the second iption) Missed 18 games.
B. Joakim Noah who is their third best scorer missed 19 games and counting.
The Bulls had to rely on Luol Deng, Kyle Korver, Taj Gibson, Ronnie Brewer and Keith Bogans (lol) to fill some of the scoring duties thats why Rose is forced to take 20FGA who is still marginally low for a perimeter player scores that much. Using Rose's FGA is stupid imo, considering the recent plague of injuries the Bulls have.
The Thunder also has more healthy double digit scorers than Chicago. If you think about it, Westbrook should really be scoring less and creating more plays for Ibaka, Harden and Green. Westbrook has been a very good player but he's a ballhog because he's due for another contract soon there's no argument about that either.
In the games Rose had Carlos Boozer, he still took over 18 shots per game. And his assists actually went slightly down despite Boozer shooting close to 56% from the field. For reference, last year Deron Williams averaged less than 14 FGA per game, and he was shooting a higher percentage from the field than Rose is this year.
If you've really watched Bulls games, Rose does the same thing Westbrook does. He gets in a mode where he's going to attack the basket every time down and will only kick out as a bail out if the defense collapses hard.
Now also keep in mind the other Thunder role players are shooters. Rose has guys who can hit jumpers like Deng and Korver and even Kurt Thomas. The Thunder jumpshooters have been pretty bad this season. Hard to have faith in a kickout or swing when Thabo or Jeff Green are building houses with their jumpers.
I haven't argued that Westbrook at times isn't a ballhog. He certainly is. But that's part of the growing process when you're talking about converting a natural scorer to the PG position. And for him to be a score-first type of player, he's still putting up 8 assists a game. He's not taking more shots than Durant. Durant is still the #1 option. His other teammates have not been good this year. I don't see why he's getting the criticism he's getting from some of you. He's not Magic Johnson or John Stockton. He never will be. He's having an outstanding year. And even as a combo scoring guard, I'd say he's put his name in the discussion among the best PGs in the game.
I agree. Rose should win MVP this year.
I just feel Westbrook should shoot less considering he's a poor shooter, improved (43%) but nonetheless pretty bad and he has more offensive players that can benefit from more plays and the best offensive player in the league. Rose is in a situation where he could shoot more than 20 FGA and easily average 26-28PPG in the process, but he doesn't despite shooting a whole lot better than Westbrook. I like Rose's at ude and IMO he's not a ballhog and puts his teammates first.
Can't really say the same about Westbrook.
Solid post. But disagree about Paul still the best even his own fans dont agree he has lost some of his explosiveness ...but i will say in their game against Memphis I saw some flashes of the "old" Paul ...but no way he is in the top 3 ... I would still take him over rondo and Westbrook though ...
And Westbrook is not a ball hog he does forces things at times but he played shooting guard until the pros ...not every point guard dumps the the ball to timmy and just cut ...both Rose and Westbrook are NEEDED to score ...
Besides durant is leading the league in scoring (again) how many more shots does he need? Plus would you rather Westbrook blowing by Fisher or Kobe in transition OR Durant shooting a congested 3 over artest?
How do you have Rondo ahead of CP3? Makes no sense it all. CP3 does everything as well as Rondo and shoots better. He's easily better than Rondo. He's the best pure PG in the league and runs a team easily better than any other PG.
Its funny still how CP3 has the nets neck and neck with the Jazz and OKC. Supposedly both Westbrook and D-Will are clearly outplaying CP3 this season yet the nets are close to overtaking both teams in the standings. Last time I saw D-Will try to guard an 80% CP3, he was going in circles trying to keep up.
lowry give brooks more minutes
Yes, he is a beast!
Damn. D-Will and CP3 bit the dust against Rose on this road trip. Hornets' commentators were straight up hating on Rose throughout the game tonight and talking up Chris Paul any chance they got, even called his flop job "brilliance" lol. By the end of the game they were two idiots sitting silently wondering what the happened
I take Kidds 38 year old corpse over Felton any day this season.
Rose is the best, no question
New rankings:
1. Rose
2. Dwill
3. Paul
4. Westbrook
5. Rondo (Thurday night was just sad ...)
Pretty good rankings
Just another no show by Chris Paul in the second half tonight. I'm sure he was more concerned about finding a Martin Lawrence flick though.
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