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For the record, they're actually very well cared for, not just thrown in there to do tricks and rot.
Yea son since kidnapping orca whales and dolphins out of the wild away from their pod and dumping them into those concrete boxes is taking care of them.
Yes there are very few exceptions where SeaWorld will return the smaller AKA NON MONEY MAKER animals back into the wild (Sea Lions, Otters, etc) ... but the money makers like Killer Whales and Dolphins are given a life sentence to those bath tubs.
For the record, they're actually very well cared for, not just thrown in there to do tricks and rot.
Its true. Why is this 9 pages? I'm assuming its all the spur fans agreeing?
I don't know about you but I would rather be caged in a park where I wouldn't have to worry about food. If I got sick, the park has veterinarians on staff. No predators hunting me down, and all the whale pussy I can handle.
Sounds like a good life to me.
Son that's just not true. Of course the trainers who work with them, in most cases do care for them but that's not the issue..... you're taking a free ranging, sonic creature who swims 80+ miles per day in the ocean and putting them inside of a concrete swimming pool in a stadium filled with screaming people. There is a reason why the life span of a dolphin or killer whale in captivity is ridiculously far lower than in the wild.
This is an interesting statement. I never heard that before. Would you consider sharing references to this?
tbh, most animals bred for food are kept in cages much smaller than zoos, fed garbage and are treated 10x worse.
Son I'm on my phone right now, but ill and post some links tonight when I get home. All you have to do is google it. Yes there are some exceptions, but most dolphins for example die within 2-10 years in captivity yet live up to 40+ years in the wild
Um, you're gonna have to find some sort of reference to back that up son. I have it on good authority (a friend of mine who actually was a trainer) that they live longer in captivity than in the wild. Better food, top physical conditioning, and the elimination of many of nature's natural dangers come to mind as reasons for this.
Son that is just a flat out lie. For every 10 dolphins captured maybe 1 of them will live past 10 or 15. Again I am on my phone right now so posting links is a ,but here is one...
Http://www.inkokomo.com/dolphin/captivity.html
Son, you gave me a link for random aquariums and zoos. I'm talking about SeaWorld in particular. I know for a fact that the facilities and care at SeaWorld are far superior to zoos.
Hm... it looks like there's not enough solid research on the subject to conclude either way. From the "Dolphinarium" article on wikipedia... Another link
Another link: http://stason.org/TULARC/animals/dol...captivity.html
The lifespan of dolphins in captivity is another subject of debate. Research has shown that Orcas indeed have a much lower survival rate in captivity;[14] however, there is no significant difference between wild and captive survival rates for Bottlenose dolphins.[15] This does not, however, reflect a global state of affairs: for example, Bottlenose dolphins in captive facilities in Jamaica suffer from extremely high mortality rates.[16]
Again, I don't know how biased this site is, but...Son, you gave me a link for random aquariums and zoos
http://sailhawaii.com/captivedolphins.htm
"By far, the largest holder of killer whales is Sea World, Inc. My copy of the NOAA report from a couple of years ago shows 62 killer whales in Sea World's inventory, of which 29 have died. Since many of Sea World's whales were taken from the wild, information about birth dates is sketchy. But of the four dead animals that show an actual or estimated birth date, one lived a month, one lived 2 years, one lived 11 years and one, a female, lived 23 years, or about half of her estimated life expectancy in the wild.
Without sifting through this entire thread...
San Antonio is fat. I work in health care, I know what a big problem obesity, hypertension, and diabetes are here. And I agree with Chuck on the Riverwalk also. There are no unique shops or restaurants down there. It's just a bunch of crap piled on top of a dirty little river. All that said, I'd still rather live here than most American cities.
so you think cows and chickens are ok with being taken out of the wild and put into slaughterhouses.
k.
I like 's on the Riverwalk, Mad Dog's occasionally, and that one martini bar on the second floor. And topside across from the Alamo, I enjoy the Ripley's Believe It or Not/Haunted House. (Though the prices are getting a little ridiculous.)
I do wonder how BR reconciles his whole "Dolphins shouldn't be in captivity" stance with the fact that most animals eaten are mistreated 10X worse.
At the risk of sounding like I'm backpedaling, let me clarify that I don't think SeaWorld is some bastion of animal care. I like the park for MANY reasons, not the least of which is the very real educational opportunities it gives to ordinary people who may never get to experience the sight of a killer whale or a dolphin except through a passive television screen. To me, personally, that means a lot.
Secondly, I know there's a raging debate on both sides as to the "proper" care these animals should receive in captivity, whether they should be in captivity at all, etc. It's hard to sway a person one way or another though, by using source material that's biased for/against the issue in question. I mean, you won't be swayed by my presenting an Anheuser/Busch related link regarding the quality of SeaWorld's animal care any more than I would be by your presentation of information from a site that's long argued against animal captivity.
In short, we're gonna agree to disagree on this one, son.
You can force yourself to believe that they are better off in captivity all you want ... but at the end of the day it ALL boils down to making money, not caring for them.
I like the corn on the cob they sell at Sea World. I haven't been there since I was like 10 or 11, but that cop still sticks in my mind.
DUH. SeaWorld is a business--you gotta make money to stay viable. However, making $$ and animal care are not mutually exclusive, as you seem to believe.
Advice on San Antonio - go to the Riverwalk with tourists do the howl at the moon crap and the like; but as a former single guy there were plenty of places to meet stunning women of all types It may have changed but when I was in my 20s and young 30s there were stunners all around town whether one went for Latinas or for those beautiful blonds of the German/European influence that together make the melting pot that is part of SA's under-appreciated beauty. Except for my public health travels to Panama (where I met my wife) or places like Lithuania where one saw model types everywhere = San Antonio had per capita as many captivating and friendly women as anywhere/ anyplace once you left the Riverwalk area. There was a decent place called Raffles that relocated to around the Time Machine near the airport was one place we used to go and there were many other places. Moreover, in San Antonio a young professional man (I was an Army captain) can live on the economy like a king due to the cost of living and afford to go out - lots of luck with that in the glamor cities like Miami, LA and New York or in places like Scotsdale where Charles B. hangs out - as downtown Phoenix is a ugly city with nothing to offer and a crime rate off the charts. Poor Charles B he is just sad because all his predictions are falling apart and as in the telephone commercial with D. Wade he is probably mistaken for a grandfather half the time anyway.
Son you really don't want SeaWorld's record exposed ... should we start with the several dozen Orcas that havie died within only a few years or the trainer who was brutally attacked and killed last year by an Orca who had already killed 2 other people.
Oh and by the way orcas don't attack or kill people in the wild.
do chickens and cows?
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