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    I have to say Jackson has been dealt the better hand while Pop has had to work for his...I cannot completely discredit Jackson though, because it does take something to coach a team of good players to play together and get the chemistry to work.
    You can't argue with Phil's rings and success, however, it shouldn't be underestimated that he's coaching a team with a $90+ mil payroll year in,year out to Pop's usual just-under-the-tax-threshold.
    Pop has done more with less than Phil. Period. Pop is the best.
    true but Jackson deliver at the end and in the head to head, Jackson seems to get the best of Pop (although I agree, Jackson has a lot more to work with (money, collusions, refs, etc)

    Pop >>>> Jackson in recruitment, drafting and team management

    Jackson might be a better in game coach, but hard to tell because both work with lopsided resources
    Can't go wrong with either guy, I just think Pop is the better X's & O's guy of the two.
    my thoughts exactly

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    Sloan definitely in the conversation. But never won it all.

    1. Jackson
    2. Pop
    3. Sloan

    everyone else

    4. Larry Brown (Sixers in the finals, winning a game against the Lakers? Charlotte in the playoffs? rofl)
    5. Byron Scott (Nets? Hornettes? Good PGs but rofl gg)
    6. SVG (underrated coach)
    7. Adelman (respectable runs with Kings and Rockettes)
    8. Don Nelson
    9. Alvin Gentry (yup)
    10. Doc Rivers (yup, behind Gentry)

    Honorable Mention: *Riley, if he coached a whole season and didn't bandwagon his way to a le

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    G-Pop no doubt


    Everyone is so damn caught up on being re ed and only considering championships whenever these discussions come up. Happens all the time. Who's the best coach in the NBA? Who's the best player in the NBA? Who's the best quarterback in the NFL?
    Random re that only considers one factor in any argument: Rings! Wow championships!!! Who has more????? WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW who's better Dirk or Odom???? Clearly Lamar!

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    It's all relative to draft picks and trades. Players make coaches. Phil would be nobody without Jordan, and Pop would be nobody without Tim Duncan. Pop would be the first person to tell you this if I didn't.

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    G-Pop no doubt


    Everyone is so damn caught up on being re ed and only considering championships whenever these discussions come up. Happens all the time. Who's the best coach in the NBA? Who's the best player in the NBA? Who's the best quarterback in the NFL?
    Random re that only considers one factor in any argument: Rings! Wow championships!!! Who has more????? WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW who's better Dirk or Odom???? Clearly Lamar!
    Who's the best golfer or cyclist? Tiger and Lance? Why? Because they had great form? No, because they WON.

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    - In '99, the Lakers had similar talent but they got swept by the Spurs. But this one was in the 90's, so it doesn't count.
    - In '00, Duncan was injured. The Lakers "miraculous" comeback was made with amicable refs in the game 7, WCF against the Blazers.
    - In '01, the Lakers were in talent advantage over any other team, a very dominant run. DA was injured and the unbalanced Spurs team got swept by the Lakers.
    - In '02, the Spurs gave fight with Duncan, rookies, washed up veterans and cast offs of other teams. 1:4 all close games. Years after, an NBA ref admits that the Kings team was sabotaged in the closing games. Everyone sees how Kobe violently fouls Bibby without a call, he knew too the refs were rooting for the Lakers.
    - In '03, the Spurs had Duncan, the Lakers had Shaq and Kobe. Pop surprises Phil Jax and takes some credit for the development of Parker, S-Jax and Manu.
    - In '04, the Lakers had 4 HOF's, they get all-stars on the cheap (Payton for the MLE, Malone for the BAE). Should have cruised all the way, Pop's Spurs give them solid opposition but Phil out-coached him in the 0.4 to win the game 5. Phil gets completely defeated in the finals to Larry Brown coached Pistons, a team inferior in talent.
    - In '05 Phil gets fired for the last season failure. At that point, Pop was considered better. Pop win it all against Larry Brown Pistons in a very close series. Horry, a player considered completely done by the Lakers two seasons ago, is the Spurs second best bigman.
    - In '06 Phil gets the Lakers to playoffs for a first round exit. Crawford ruins the heavy favorites Spurs against the Mavs. Manu also makes a mistake and allows Dirk to make a 3 points play to send game 7 to OT.
    - In '07 Phil with a solid team goes out in the first round, the Spurs win the championship in dominant fashion.
    - In '08 Phil gets a good roster upgraded with Gasol by mid-season, without giving much. Bynum and Ariza were injured, but Manu was hurt too in the previous series. Everyone comments the Lakers are superior in talent. The Spurs had to play game 1 after sleeping at the airport and lose the game. In game 4, Crawford makes a no call on an obvious foul that would have sent game 4 to OT. Instead 2:2, the series end with the unsurmountable 1:3 with the next game at the Staples. Phil soundly loses in the finals by team and a coach that is considered inferior in talent and the Spurs too old.
    - In '09 the Spurs were still inferior in talent. Manu missed the playoffs and it was a first round exit for Pop against a superior Mavs team. Phil wins it all.
    - In '10 the Spurs get a talent upgrade, go out in second round. Pop gets outcoached by Gentry. Phil adds Artest to the roster while Ariza signs with the Rockets. Phil wins the serie against Gentry in the next round, but despite superior talent his team seems inferior against the Celtics. In game 6 of the finals Perkins gets injured and the Lakers win a game. For game 7, the Lakers get awarded a lot of FT's in 4-th quarter and the Celtics lose the championship. At this point Phil is considered better coach, but this is another decade.
    - In '11 the Spurs have a 36:6 start. The Lakers are considered the NBA best team in talent and in size, but they have a slower start, despite of their stars logging heavy minutes. It has to be seen who wins it all this year. Pop changed the offensive for this season, something unheard of. Previously, Phil was considered the better offensive coach and Pop the better in defense. This year, Pop seems to be better in both offense and defense. This despite the Lakers having superior talent.

    Phil had 4 championships in the decade vs. Pop's 3, but some of the Lakers championship runs were aided by strange trades and refs help. When Phil won championships he also had superior talent. But he lost the finals sometimes with superior talent ('04 and '08). Pop disappointed in '06 (with Crawford making bs calls and ejecting Duncan while he was on the bench!). But the '03 and '05 les were against teams that were heavy favorites. And the '11 run is unexpected too, everyone had the Spurs as a done team.

    It seems to me that Pop is the better coach of the two.

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    didn't read...

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    didn't read...
    You would find it a riveting tale bro. . .

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    One coach can not only offer the glitter of LA and celebrity, but he can virtually buy whatever he needs off the FA shelf. Need Shaq? Not a problem? Want Gasol? Easy does it. When Jackson doesn't win with his advantages it is a miracle.

    Pop has a small market family town to offer and a budget year in and year out that stays below the luxury tax. So He pulls players (not rabbits) out of a hat and makes the team concept and hard work (keep hammering that rock) a mantra that all the players have to buy into.

    When Pop wins with all his disadvantages it is a miracle.

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    Who's the best golfer or cyclist? Tiger and Lance? Why? Because they had great form? No, because they WON.
    Gee that's a great observation you have there. Do you want to know how their cases differ from an NFL quarterback, who is one of many(when I say many I mean 30-40) players to touch the field for his team any given game and is only in for half the time, or an NBA player or coach???

    Well...I think I've already told you indirectly in the question itself. Tiger and Lance play individually.

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    Ill give Jackson some credit when he makes a winner out of a team like the Kings, Hornets, Raptors ect ect...

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