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    Isn't there a Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003? Upheld by the Supreme Court in 2006 or 2007? And as I understand it, most states also have banned it; I need to do some refresher reading on that stuff.

    p.s. I'm aware that other methods of late term abortion are legal, it's just this particular method that has been banned
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    Gosnell didn't advertise, but word got around. Women came from across the city, state and region for illegal late-term abortions, authorities said. They paid $325 for first-trimester abortions and $1,600 to $3,000 for abortions up to 30 weeks. The clinic took in $10,000 to $15,000 a day, authorities said.

    "People knew near and far that if you needed a late-term abortion you could go see Dr. Gosnell," Williams said.

    White women from the suburbs were ushered into a separate, slightly cleaner area because Gosnell believed they were more likely to file complaints, Williams said.

    Few if any of the sedated patients knew their babies had been delivered alive and then killed, prosecutors said. Many were first-time mothers who were told they were 24 weeks pregnant, even if they were much further along, authorities said.

    Prosecutors said Gosnell falsified the ultrasound examinations that determine how far along a pregnancy is, teaching his staff to hold the probe in such a way that the fetus would look smaller...

    State regulators ignored complaints about Gosnell and the 46 lawsuits filed against him, and made just five annual inspections, most satisfactory, since the clinic opened in 1979, authorities said. The inspections stopped completely in 1993...

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    Isn't there a Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003? Upheld by the Supreme Court in 2006 or 2007? And as I understand it, most states also have banned it; I need to do some refresher reading on that stuff.

    p.s. I'm aware that other methods of late term abortion are legal, it's just this particular method that has been banned
    Oops, you are correct. I remember that Obama voted against banning the procedure. Apparently they still do late term abortions but to get around the law just inject the fetus with drugs to kill it before it comes out...

    http://www.boston.com/yourlife/healt...etuses/?page=1

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    What a crazy legal world we live in. Injecting a live potentially viable baby with the same drug used to execute criminals is perfectly legal as long as it's still in the womb.

    BTW, I am not anti-abortion. Just pointing out the inconsistency.

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    What a crazy legal world we live in. Injecting a live potentially viable baby with the same drug used to execute criminals is perfectly legal as long as it's still in the womb.
    Yea it's crazy. But if the baby comes out dead already, that pretty much cancels out the viability question and prevents the individual doctor from having to make that call at that moment. I think that's the reasoning......

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    Yea it's crazy. But if the baby comes out dead already, that pretty much cancels out the viability question and prevents the individual doctor from having to make that call at that moment. I think that's the reasoning......
    I guess everyone has to follow their own moral compass...I'm pretty sure I'd be saying "You dumb ...you waited six ing months to decide to get an abortion? You need to talk to an adoption agency because I'm not killing that baby..."

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    I guess everyone has to follow their own moral compass...I'm pretty sure I'd be saying "You dumb ...you waited six ing months to decide to get an abortion? You need to talk to an adoption agency because I'm not killing that baby..."
    Yea well it's a pretty rotten situation all the way around, that's for sure.

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    Can't wait to hear BR's opinion.

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    I hope that the doctor and everyone else that knew even a little information about any of this gets killed.

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    So not being trained as an OB/GYN, or a "doctor" for that matter, keeps one from performing barbaric actions against defenseless human beings for many years? Gee. Where do I sign up?
    That's funny that it should take a certificate to allow you to murder innocent life.

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    To be treated humanely?
    Hmmmm...

    A woman who wants a doctor to kill innocent life, in a late term abortion, should be treated with respect?

    Such women should be in jail for assisting in murder.

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    Hmmmm...

    A woman who wants a doctor to kill innocent life, in a late term abortion, should be treated with respect?

    Such women should be in jail for assisting in murder.
    It's not murder.

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    It's not murder.
    By law, it's not. Morally, it is. In fact, late term abortions are illegal in some places.

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    And who in the would name their kid Kermit?

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    You guys ever heard the term "partial birth abortion"? It is still perfectly legal to kill late term babies...You just have to do it before they get completely out of the mother. They take these tong/scissor things and crush the back of their skull. This guy just got lazy and did it out on the table.
    Not in most states, right? I thought most states made it illegal after 20 or 24 weeks.

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    Not in most states, right? I thought most states made it illegal after 20 or 24 weeks.
    A ban has been black letter federal law since 2003.

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    A ban has been black letter federal law since 2003.
    As I understand it, the federal ban is on the late term abortion method called "partial birth". Most states have banned all late term abortions after 24 weeks. There's a handful of states that allow late term abortions by methods other than partial birth. And I believe all states will permit it in the event that the mother's life is in danger.

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    As I understand it, the federal ban is on the late term abortion method called "partial birth". Most states have banned all late term abortions after 24 weeks. There's a handful of states that allow late term abortions by methods other than partial birth. And I believe all states will permit it in the event that the mother's life is in danger.
    Correct. Should have been more specific saying what I was talking about. The mother's life exception exists in the federal law too, though it would be a tough sell in court.

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    ima have to say that im pro choice and i support this doctor and his patients

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    yall are all about as cool as a late term abortion

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    I read an extended article on this earlier today. I'm definitely pro-choice, but I also think you should get your together way before 24 weeks. I know that nothing behind a decision like that is simple, but Jesus. Birth control should be free and everywhere. If your boyfriend doesn't want to use condoms and you can't remember to take a pill? Get a freaking IUD. Use the Ring. Wear the Patch. Get an Implanon. Cervical cap, diaphragm, sponge, spermicide. Something, anything.

    The scissors bit will haunt me, and while his crimes against the fetuses are heinous, I am just as horrified that these women felt that getting what is basically a back alley abortion was their only option.

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    The upshot is that what would have been several hundred future black criminals will never grow up to steal, rape, and kill. He saved us all both the mayhem and the cost of trying and incarcerating them.

    Gosnell should get a medal, not an indictment.

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    I am just as horrified that these women felt that getting what is basically a back alley abortion was their only option.
    It is your only option when you are getting an illegal abortion- which in PA is after 24 weeks.

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    It is your only option when you are getting an illegal abortion- which in PA is after 24 weeks.
    I'm saying that an illegal abortion should not have been these women's only option. It should never have come to that in the first place.

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    I'm saying that an illegal abortion should not have been these women's only option. It should never have come to that in the first place.
    Hmmm and I imagine the reason for you saying your last statement is because birth control wasn't available for free and everywhere to everyone, right?
    ok.................

    Are you for the banning of any types of guns?

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