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    That was my point, I'm aware Butler has to be involved. But the fact that he's recognized around the league as a legit young talent (to varying degrees), we can probably get a good player (butler upgrade) for him. I guess you can call me delusional, but all I ever said is that he has a high trade value and that he has a potential to be a special player in this league, nothing wrong with that.... except that your a spurs fan and its hard for you to appreciate any player on the Mavs.
    sure he's a young trade asset, but thats not all youve been saying...youre making homerish claims about him having wayyyy more trade value than george hill. you do know that george hill, even before last season's strong 2nd half and playoffs, was a key piece in a package to get VC from the Nets? that when the spurs ask about any established player hill is always the young key player teams want in return?

    hill > roddy right now...both as a player and as a trade asset.

    Its a pretty horrible trade.

    This season you have Jax or Crash instead of Roddy playing. Fine.

    The next seasons you have stoneold Jax or Crash instead of Roddy AND Butler.

    Thats why there is no Butler+Roddy for borderline star trade. It helps this season but completly sucks the next years.
    i wont dispute that, im simply saying roddy's potential alone couldnt grab sjax or gwall...wallace isnt even that old btw. pretty sure he's still in his late 20s, he came into the league from hs if im not mistaken. and tbh dallas' window is closing just as fast as the spurs' window is, not sure they can afford to wait for roddy develope (if he even developes) since dirk isnt getting any younger.
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    How? If I am on the Mavs I rather have Roddy. If I am on the Spurs I rather have Neal/Hill.

    But if I were to form my own team, I would take Roddy over both. That man can do it all.
    If mavs rent a melo, and the knicks give up a few pieces to make the deal work, I could see roddy landing in NY, not too far fetched. Denver doesnt have a need for roddy with Ty Lawson and afflalo, smith, etc... NY may be able use him tho, and you guys can't keep Chandler if you want melo this summer can you? Maybe denver is interested in Chandler?

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    If mavs rent a melo, and the knicks give up a few pieces to make the deal work, I could see roddy landing in NY, not too far fetched. Denver doesnt have a need for roddy with Ty Lawson and afflalo, smith, etc... NY may be able use him tho, and you guys can't keep Chandler if you want melo this summer can you? Maybe denver is interested in Chandler?
    So Ty Lawson and Afflalo > Steve Nash + Tony Parker + Derrick Rose?

    Interesting.

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    Nuggz have no need for the next coming of French Alah????

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    If mavs rent a melo, and the knicks give up a few pieces to make the deal work, I could see roddy landing in NY, not too far fetched. Denver doesnt have a need for roddy with Ty Lawson and afflalo, smith, etc... NY may be able use him tho, and you guys can't keep Chandler if you want melo this summer can you? Maybe denver is interested in Chandler?
    If i'm Melo I just play out the season at this point.
    Go to NYC this summer, it's clear teams might be getting fed up with the Denver front office and their asking price.

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    sup, are u a general manager???

    in what tier of players is roddy b in...give some examples of the type of players that would warrant trading him? a straight up swap too, not packaged witt butler. im trying to get a feel of just how much general managers value roddy b's potential tbh
    Well how about this. In a survey this summer when the GMs were asked which international player they most expect to have a break out season, roddy garnered at least twice the amount of votes than anyone else...... And the mavs were also offered multiple top ten lotto picks for him. Good enough for you? Does it kill you to know the mavs might have a special talent on their hands? Obviously

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    its just it's such a small sample size it doesn't really matter.
    EXACTLY. It's a small sample size. Which is why the wise thing to do here is to err on the side of caution. You don't watch someone play for 15 games and then proclaim them to be the next superstar with a skillset combining the best traits of 3 top point guards in the league.

    If you've seen the guy play (and there's no way you could have missed him if you watched game 6 last season), then you'd understand the hype surrounding him. He's our best young asset, of course he's not worth a melo for a half season.
    Watching JJ Barea play against us the past two years I would have guaranteed you that he was the next Steve Nash. One game or series doesn't mean much.

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    LOL mavfan resorting to GM polls

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    EXACTLY. It's a small sample size. Which is why the wise thing to do here is to err on the side of caution. You don't watch someone play for 15 games and then proclaim them to be the next superstar with a skillset combining the best traits of 3 top point guards in the league.



    Watching JJ Barea play against us the past two years I would have guaranteed you that he was the next Steve Nash. One game or series doesn't mean much.

    Yeah Roddy and JJB have the same games. It's clear one won't be better than the other.

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    well how about this. In a survey this summer when the gms were asked which international player they most expect to have a break out season, roddy garnered at least twice the amount of votes than anyone else...... And the mavs were also offered multiple top ten lotto picks for him. Good enough for you? Does it kill you to know the mavs might have a special talent on their hands? Obviously
    +1

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    Yeah Roddy and JJB have the same games. It's clear one won't be better than the other.
    it's clear to everyone except mavfans

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    Not just saying this as a Mavs fan, but Roddy's trade value is through the roof. All the "untouchable" and "future of the franchise" talk has really sky rocketed his value.... coupled with a few flashes of brilliance by Roddy himself.


    It may have increased his price, it's done nothing to increase his value.

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    Well how about this. In a survey this summer when the GMs were asked which international player they most expect to have a break out season, roddy garnered at least twice the amount of votes than anyone else......


    Back to 6/28 is overwhelming, are we?

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    sure he's a young trade asset, but thats not all youve been saying...youre making homerish claims about him having wayyyy more trade value than george hill. you do know that george hill, even before last season's strong 2nd half and playoffs, was a key piece in a package to get VC from the Nets? that when the spurs ask about any established player hill is always the young key player teams want in return?

    hill > roddy right now...both as a player and as a trade asset.



    i wont dispute that, im simply saying roddy's potential alone couldnt grab sjax or gwall...wallace isnt even that old btw. pretty sure he's still in his late 20s, he came into the league from hs if im not mistaken. and tbh dallas' window is closing just as fast as the spurs' window is, not sure they can afford to wait
    for roddy develope (if he even developes) since dirk isnt getting any younger.
    Would you like to start a poll for other teams to voice their opinion? Who has a higher trade value or who would you rather take? Gaurantee you roddy crushes hill in that vote. Gms would vote the same way if given the choice between a rotation player or a potential star. I'd love for you to take me up on this offer

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    well how about this. In a survey this summer when the gms were asked which international player they most expect to have a break out season, roddy garnered at least twice the amount of votes than anyone else...... And the mavs were also offered multiple top ten lotto picks for him. Good enough for you? Does it kill you to know the mavs might have a special talent on their hands? Obviously
    Because we all know players with less than a full season under their belt are always worth their projected value.

    Speaking of which, has anyone heard from Trajan Langdon lately?

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    Well how about this. In a survey this summer when the GMs were asked which international player they most expect to have a break out season, roddy garnered at least twice the amount of votes than anyone else...... And the mavs were also offered multiple top ten lotto picks for him. Good enough for you? Does it kill you to know the mavs might have a special talent on their hands? Obviously
    how many big name, young international players are there? the fact that they picked isnt saying much, hardly anything to get excited about to the pt where you would proclaim him the next isiah thomas...link of the top ten lotto pick offers too tbh.

    it doesnt kill me at all, i just find the hype around a guy that has logged 700 nba minutes pretty funny tbh

    Would you like to start a poll for other teams to voice their opinion? Who has a higher trade value or who would you rather take? Gaurantee you roddy crushes hill in that vote. Gms would vote the same way if given the choice between a rotation player or a potential star. I'd love for you to take me up on this offer
    make the poll...exclude spur fans and mav fans from voting, including all mav krew trolls.

    gms would take hill over roddy btw, thats obvious to anyone outside of dallas.

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    It may have increased his price, it's done nothing to increase his value.
    Except the small detail that the Mavs won't be able to get
    a significant upgrade via trade without Roddys name coming up and being included

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    It may have increased his price, it's done nothing to increase his value.
    Not worth talking to spurs fans about roddy, I've heard enough from other teams fans to know where roddy's trade value is, and it's way beyond that of George hill

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    Not worth talking to spurs fans about roddy, I've heard enough from other teams fans to know where roddy's trade value is, and it's way beyond that of George hill
    But not enough to land a Gerald Wallace, despite Roddy being the "future franchise" of the Mavs.

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    Except the small detail that the Mavs won't be able to get
    a significant upgrade via trade without Roddys name coming up and being included
    That's may be true, it also has nothing to do with point of my post. Roddy's value to other teams will be based on their estimate of what he can become as an NBA player, not the price tag Dallas attaches to him.

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    how many big name, young international players are there? the fact that they picked isnt saying much, hardly anything to get excited about to the pt where you would proclaim him the next isiah thomas...link of the top ten lotto pick offers too tbh.

    it doesnt kill me at all, i just find the hype around a guy that has logged 700 nba minutes pretty funny tbh



    make the poll...exclude spur fans and mav fans from voting, including all mav krew trolls.

    gms would take hill over roddy btw, thats obvious to anyone outside of dallas.

    Not gonna waste my time researching links for you, don't really care enough. I asked you to ask another teams fan about roddy if you want an objective assessment. I get it, you don't believe me. So ask a blazers fan or something like that, our disagreement on the player isn't going anywhere

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    mavfan delusion is hilarious

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    Not worth talking to spurs fans about roddy, I've heard enough from other teams fans to know where roddy's trade value is, and it's way beyond that of George hill
    Read your post that I quoted and try again. You said that Roddy's value was 'skyrocketing' because of what Dallas has said about him being 'untouchable'.

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    Not gonna waste my time researching links for you, don't really care enough. I asked you to ask another teams fan about roddy if you want an objective assessment. I get it, you don't believe me. So ask a blazers fan or something like that, our disagreement on the player isn't going anywhere


    Because fans on message boards are great sources of objective opinions.

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    That's may be true, it also has nothing to do with point of my post. Roddy's value to other teams will be based on their estimate of what he can become as an NBA player, not the price tag Dallas attaches to him.

    And obviously teams think he can be a heck of a player. When a team places a price tag of "future of the franchise" on a player, teams still make their own call, bit other teams become more intrigued and want to check him out. That's how his value has risen so quickly

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