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  1. #26
    Believe. Baron Davιs's Avatar
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    Actually, I like Kobe. Anyway, See, I thought Kobe's Game 7 against the Celtics was a perfect illustration of his career. He's always been the guy who puts personal glory above team success and when things fall through the cracks, I'm not a hater, I even have a Kobe's poster in our garage. But I'm just being real.
    Who takes this series? Am I crazy to believe that Lebron and his Cavaliers would beat Jordan's Bulls?
    Face it Kobe is much more concerned of winning a scoring le than helping his teammates prepare and condition themselves in the regular season I think come June, if the Lakers gets past the Suns or denver, Lebron will be hoisting an NBA Finals MVP trophy and it would officially put an end to any debate on whose better between Kobe or Lebron.

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    Thanks for the quotes Baron Davis. Lebron is still the better player, but Kobe has the better team.



    I still think Lebron and last years CAVS can beat the 97-98 Bulls as long as Bron's teammates shows up.

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    Bynum looks right now like he might eat his way into Jerome Jones, Eddy Curry and other bigs that got to heavy - this guy has all the talent and potential in the world but for some reason I am not convinced that he will ever be as great as he could be with or without injuries.

    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrew_bynum/index.html
    You're basketball illiterate.

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    Abe Lincoln, NlGGA Kyle Orton's Avatar
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    Why do people talk about Bynum's eating habits as if he has a weight problem. Other than the cold cereal thing when he was an 18 year old living away from home for the first time with no idea how to cook or make his own decisions his weight/eating habits have been fine. The hate this guy receives is ridiculous.

  5. #30
    The Good Doctor Rummpd's Avatar
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    You're basketball illiterate.

    Since you are such a self appointed genius!


    Some questions:

    First why was this said?

    "Andrew's heavy. He's a muscular kid, but I don't think he's overweight per se. But he could probably stand to lose 10 pounds and be lighter and have less of a load to carry.''

    http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/28/a...ks-into-shape/

    Moreover,

    1) If he universally thought of as so damm good (I did not say he could not potentially be at least very good by the way!) or such a lock to be so great - why are Laker's dreaming of a sign and trade for the less injury prone but shorter, D. Howard?
    2) Why is his PER less than "old man" Duncan's in Hollinger's rating as a center, even though Duncan - like Bynum is not prominently featured in the team's offense? http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli.../c/league/west
    3) Why is this a common thread?
    http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...?f=6&t=1057216


    "A guy carries around the underrated tag for so long, he becomes overrated—or, in Wallace's particular case, wildly, [B]perplexingly overrated.[/B] (Note: This has just happened to Andrew Bynum.)" http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3863472

    "Andrew Bynum: Overrated. Possibly the most overrated player in the league. He is a good rebounder at best. While he is young, his ceiling may have already been reached. And his health is always a big issue."

    "Is this the season when Andrew Bynum finally lives up to his potential?"

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/B...s-begin-092710

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...ted-underrated


    Bottom line = I personally do not agree he is over-rated just that he has not lived up to his potential. He still could be damm good and have a career that while not as great as Shaq's* could be a very fine one and keeping the weight off could potentially help in that regard.


    *I had the privelege of meeting and watching young Shaq as a high school player when I was a sports medicine doctor for Cole H.S. and when young he had a body earilly similar to Bynum's today = then became much heavier. As great as Shaq was he could have been even better IMO for a longer period - if he had played more years as a leaner Shaq.


    I personally do hope he does stay healthy (like I also hope Oden and Yao both return for the good of the league) and IMO Bynum if he does stay healthy, could well become a solid 18 PPG and 10 player or so and a legit all star for years - but I also believe his keeping his weight down as much as possible would only probably help him in the long run by reducing the load on his joints and plausibly the risk of subsequent injuries.

  6. #31
    silverblk mystix
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    Actually this is wrong, and Kobe did give in the most important game of his life.

    With 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter of Game 7 of the finals, the Lakers were down by 13 points. Kobe was 3-18 from the field. Awful. Just awful shooting. The rest of the team was shooting a combined 27%. That's right, everyone else was doing terrible too. Just a brutal game all around.

    What happened next? The rest of the team started making shots, and Kobe Bryant stopped shooting all of the sudden. He scored 8 points on 18 shots in the first 28 minutes(ugh). He had 6 shots the rest of the way, scoring 15 points on 3-6 shooting.

    You'll notice there was a correlation between Kobe shooting less once the rest of the team started shooting better.

    That's what's so great, for all his faults ( and he certainly has some), in the most important game of his life with the game on the line, he played team ball. He stopped chucking, played defense, grabbed a bunch of rebounds, attacked the rim, and played within the offense. In short, he did exactly what you thought he wouldn't. And the Lakers won the championship.

    If it makes you feel any better though, the Heat are pretty sick and should win plenty of championships over the next 10 years or so. So you can chill with the irrational bias towards Kobe a little bit.

    The REAL summary of that game was this;

    Lakers were shooting for and were getting manhandled on their homecourt...

    the last 20 minutes of the game the lakers were GIFTED 25 free throws...

    result *championship!

    you are corrct in the time , though...8 minutes left in the 3rd qtr--lakers DOWN by 13 points...

    8 minutes of the 3rd qtr

    plus 12 minutes of the 4th= 20 MINUTES...

    20 MINUTES= 25 free throws

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    Lol Crews jjktkk's Avatar
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    Since you are such a self appointed genius!


    Some questions:

    First why was this said?

    "Andrew's heavy. He's a muscular kid, but I don't think he's overweight per se. But he could probably stand to lose 10 pounds and be lighter and have less of a load to carry.''

    http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/28/a...ks-into-shape/

    Moreover,

    1) If he universally thought of as so damm good (I did not say he could not potentially be at least very good by the way!) or such a lock to be so great - why are Laker's dreaming of a sign and trade for the less injury prone but shorter, D. Howard?
    2) Why is his PER less than "old man" Duncan's in Hollinger's rating as a center, even though Duncan - like Bynum is not prominently featured in the team's offense? http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli.../c/league/west
    3) Why is this a common thread?
    http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...?f=6&t=1057216


    "A guy carries around the underrated tag for so long, he becomes overrated—or, in Wallace's particular case, wildly, [B]perplexingly overrated.[/B] (Note: This has just happened to Andrew Bynum.)" http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3863472

    "Andrew Bynum: Overrated. Possibly the most overrated player in the league. He is a good rebounder at best. While he is young, his ceiling may have already been reached. And his health is always a big issue."

    "Is this the season when Andrew Bynum finally lives up to his potential?"

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/B...s-begin-092710

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...ted-underrated


    Bottom line = I personally do not agree he is over-rated just that he has not lived up to his potential. He still could be damm good and have a career that while not as great as Shaq's* could be a very fine one and keeping the weight off could potentially help in that regard.


    *I had the privelege of meeting and watching young Shaq as a high school player when I was a sports medicine doctor for Cole H.S. and when young he had a body earilly similar to Bynum's today = then became much heavier. As great as Shaq was he could have been even better IMO for a longer period - if he had played more years as a leaner Shaq.


    I personally do hope he does stay healthy (like I also hope Oden and Yao both return for the good of the league) and IMO Bynum if he does stay healthy, could well become a solid 18 PPG and 10 player or so and a legit all star for years - but I also believe his keeping his weight down as much as possible would only probably help him in the long run by reducing the load on his joints and plausibly the risk of subsequent injuries.
    Rummpd with the goods.

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