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correlation != causation
bonner is an effective roleplayer and has caught fire and single-handedly won a game that i can remember recently
playoff bonner is a different animal, but he's really nice to have around in the regular season.
9-1.
11-1 when you drop it down to games Bonner played 8 min or less.
2-2 When you move it up to 30+ minutes.
Just sayin. Sure there are factors involved in the record but basically....
Only your T_Park and PollyAnna Poppers Club members want to see Bonner at 30+ minutes.
Yet tonight, with a chance to really make his roster spot useful as Timmy Dunks has a hyperflexed knee, and Bonner is still on the IR.
Ironic because Bonbon was actually making somewhat of an effort to rebound in his last 10 games.
correlation != causation
bonner is an effective roleplayer and has caught fire and single-handedly won a game that i can remember recently
playoff bonner is a different animal, but he's really nice to have around in the regular season.
...I just want Bonner to heal properly...
no need to rush back...
take another 10-25 games off to be sure...
just thinkin' of the red rockets health, really...
Spurs are forced with this injury to let both Blair and Splitter play more minutes. I would not be surprised if Pop is not wink, wink poor Bonner has a bruise so it is time to look at something else (finally). Pop knows what he has in Bonner and will allow him to heal but also is probably not overly concerned he is missing awhile right now.
I for one would love to see another big game out of Blair tonight in particular as he has been erratic but at times showing what he is capable of again as a starter.
Jazz have no confidence and he should just go after every board like only he can tonight and let the chips fall where they may.
How much did Sloan rest his starters in the blowout to the Lakers last night?
The 2-2 is misleading. For one thing, Bonner has only played 30+ minutes in 3 games this year, and Spurs are 2-1 in those. Those 2 wins were Orlando at home and Milwaukee on the road - and Bonner was INSTRUMENTAL in both those victories.
The loss was @Boston - arguably SAS' more difficult contest of the season thus far. The King of +/- was +13 in that game, so it's impossible to say that he was responsible for the tough loss.
He played 29:56 in the loss against LAC - which you may be rounding up for the second loss. He was flat out awful in that game...but so were Duncan, McDyess, Blair, and Splitter (Bonner actually led all bigs in rebounds).
Quite a bit, only Williams played more than 30 minutes (32). Doesn't matter how rested they are though if they come out and play as poorly as they did last night.
Their early season comebacks seem to have generated enough positive media buzz that they are being overlooked as one of the most disappointing teams in the league this year (as much as a team that is currently 9 games over .500 can be).
His contributions to this team are certainly way over-exaggerated around here.
You would think the Spurs would 'suffer' at least a bit with their purportedly 'second best big' out of the lineup. Supposedly the guy that makes Tim, Manu and Tony better by providing the proverbial 'spacing'.
The reality is that Duncan is way up there in quality (even in one leg), then there's a modi of drop to McDyess, and after that there's basically a free fall of quality until you reach Bonner/Blair/Splitter, with Bonner/Blair being basically at the same level and Splitter being a step below.
Soooo........they're 29-6 in games that he's played.
Their record with him playing more than 8 mins? 27-6
Lol classic Fabbs self-ownage.
Also, another stat is wrong - Spurs are actually 9-2 without Bonner (not 9-1).
That record falls to 2-2 against .500+ teams. 2 losses to NOH, victories over NY (only 2 games over .500) and Denver (in free fall with the Melo-drama).
Besides that, SAS has won 7 games against crappy teams without Bonner in the lineup. He's worthless...
There's no need to play down opponents. Denver is a good team. They were on a winning streak scoring 130 points on each of their last 3 games before playing us, and beat down OKC convincingly the game after ours.
I also think Bonner is a good matchup to play against NO. He's not 'worthless', but far from 'instrumental' as some people like to claim around here.
I do wish he recovers soon. You always want to have a healthy team and as many options available as possible.
The whole causation/correlation thing was always a mystery to him. Notice how the Blair 20+ minute thread doesn't get bumped anymore now that the correlation has virtually disappeared.
Just to put your point in Fabbsian terms:
Spurs record v. +.500 teams:
With Bonner: 14-4
Without Bonner: 2-2
Bonner eats up a lot of minutes and takes up a lot of scoring slack.
The rest of the team may wear down quicker wiith him out and that could be the real harm.
has someone notified Pop of this?
seems he would need to know this important info asap.
I don't get the Bonner hate you see around here.
Without the double teams Matt draws, Tony and Manu's points would take a serious hit. Think about it - when's the last time you've seen Matt taken an open shot? That's spacing fellas is what gives Manu and Tony room to score.
On defense, his weak side defense has improved dramatically - take away Matt's defense and we're sub par defensive team.
When's the last time you've seen a player get by Matt when he's matched up one on one - doesn't happen and you can guarantee a block if it does.
The NBA rounds it up.
Get those raspberry chocolate chips ready. Somebody is Red hot n ready for the next PollyAnna Poppers club meeting.
notified.
If there was ever a silver lining resulting from Bonner's unfortunate injury, the increased playing time for Splitter would be it. He needed court time to help accelerate his integration and it probably wasn't going to happen otherwise. I hate to see Bonner get hurt and hope that he's not out long. In the meantime, the increased playing time for Splitter can only pay dividends for down the road.
So all this means that Bonner sucks
Well said.
So far even *CIA Pops* mistakes are working out this year.
But yeah a 5th big would be nice for this roadie. Is Bonner replaceable if his injury is indeed long term? Could T_Parks grandmother shoot treys?
As already mentioned I don't understand the Bonner dissing that goes around either.
He frustrates me sometimes but he does space the floor and force the 4 or 5 position to come out and defend his three which helps Duncan a lot.
Bonner has saved our ass plenty of times too. I have seen several games where we are trying to close a team out in the fourth and Bonner nails a pivotal triple.
cool, how did he respond?notified.
Surely Pop has seen a game or two with Bonner in it during the last 4 years or playoffs....surely he surely agrees with your assessment.
Bonner is a great asset to have throughout the course of the season. He is a great filler for when Duncan or Dice need some rest. I think everyone can agree that we don't necessarily want to see him get 30+ minutes during the playoffs but during the regular season that is fine if he is playing well, which he has been. This team needs Bonner to hurry and get back.
I want him back just to be able to keep Dice and Timmy healthy for the playoffs.
Other than that, his worth to the team is extremely overrated by Pop and the Pop nuthuggers.
It's great hes hitting his shots in the regular season but everyone knows that well is gonna be drying up once playoffs start.
i dont know how much "spacing" he is going to provide when Phil Jackson dares him to beat us in the playoffs and he clanks 3 pointer after 3 pointer while getting abused by Pau on the other end.
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