Women should be making informed decisions unless they're informed by Planned Parenthood, which obviously should be shut down.
I agree with abortion when it comes to the health of the mom or if the mother was raped.
I was in the situation as when I got pregnant from my man and he said no baby go for the abortion. I then said no I would rather put the baby up for adoption then kill it before it was born. Of course the ing prick said bye. He is nothing but a ing asshole!
Yeah, that's understandable. I just hate the whole "people without children are happier on average" statement because that doesn't paint the whole picture.
Personally, I think I wouldn't be as happy, long-term, without kids. I look forward to watching my kid grow, and see how he responds. But I'm sure it's not for everyone, and it's certainly not easy. But nothing truly worthwhile in life is.
We spend tens of thousands of tax dollars to try to save a middle age guy from cancer but its ridiculous to spend a couple hundred to save an innocent baby from dying?
Dude tells me how I don't know women then gets pissy because my stereotype on him is dead on?
Someone that calls them "noisy little s" isn't going to have any relevant input.
You seem the perfect candidate for a convenience abortion. You know, get rid of the ing cancer in your girls stomach because a "noisy little " would interfere with going out to eat, museums, etc..... There is NO way one could possibly have a career with kids.....
As for that survey, anyone I know with kids feels the same as me. Life before kids seems fun, but it doesn't compare to afterwards.
Its not a baby. Good try though!
Oh - the poor innocent baby!
You want to save some kids? Save the poor kids in the inner city who grow up without a ing chance. How about you save them?
Actually I'm the kind of guy that makes sure I don't have to have an abortion so I guess that pretty much blows your stupid stereotype out of the water. Tell me, how many women have you spoken to about their abortions? Its not about whether you know women or not (although it really seems like you don't have a clue) but rather about how close minded you are.
Dude tells me how I don't know women then gets pissy because my stereotype on him is dead on?
Someone that calls them "noisy little s" isn't going to have any relevant input.
You seem the perfect candidate for a convenience abortion. You know, get rid of the ing cancer in your girls stomach because a "noisy little " would interfere with going out to eat, museums, etc..... There is NO way one could possibly have a career with kids.....
As for that survey, anyone I know with kids feels the same as me. Life before kids seems fun, but it doesn't compare to afterwards.
Why on earth would a woman who was satisfied with her abortion come talk to you about it? When you look down upon those who don't want kids then I can only imagine the level of judgement you would levy upon a woman who had an abortion and DIDN'T feel it was the wrong decision. Being shocked that you don't know of many instances where this is the case would be like being shocked that the sky is blue.
You speak out of ignorance. You act as if your way is the only way to live. Did you even plan your kid or was it a mistake? If it was a mistake then I could easily say your new found "joy" is simply rationalization. Of course you don't want to think of life without the child as happy. You obviously can't go there, so why would you even consider it?
Of course you can have a career with a child. That doesn't mean that you can have the same career and that you can have the same opportunities. I love what I am going to research, and if I want to spend 60 hours in the lab and in the field I obviously can't do that with a child and still be there for it. I have priorities and a child isn't high on that list. Yet somehow, according to your stupid world view that makes me somehow less happy. I'm sorry, but I can build meaningful relationships with others and not have to have a child to do that.
The fact that you immediately dismiss my opinion on children because I don't like them is the most glaring example of how you only accept your view on children. You're completely cut off to the idea that children aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread and you exemplify the exact mindset I spoke of.
Congrats on knowing how to have sex without a condom or congrats on your wife forgetting to take a pill. Such a gateway to hapiness.
Once again, because you seem completely like the kind of person people would confide in if they were unhappy about being a parent. Completely non judgmental and definitely with the personality that makes people feel at ease.
I would imagine people aren't breaking down your door to tell you their darkest secrets.
Because.
I think the people who say that the most are people without children.
People want different things out of their lives. Fine. But I don't think Manny seriously believes that "pursuing careers and exploring the world" are options to only the childless; maybe just a heat of the moment statement because I'm sure he knows as many people who have done it as I do.
Having done all those things myself, I believe that none would have been nearly as fulfulling without the others. But that's me. I am certain, however, that the choice to do what I wanted, when I wanted is what contributed to the satisfaction I get from those accomplishments.
And the decision of "what" and "when" women do with their lives is what they are trying to take away. And that is wrong.
Or you could be spending a couple hundred dollars on a temporary guilt trip that may cause the woman to reconsider her choice for another couple of months, then be forced to get an illegal abortion when she changes her mind again.
This whole conversation is pretty funny. Happiness....as if we all share a common definition of happiness.
I've been on both sides. When I was touring, I led a pretty care-free life...saw the world, didn't have to hassle with the daily grind, earned a nice living doing something I really enjoyed, even made a couple of good friends along the way. But towards the end of that period of my life, I kept thinking "Man, I wish I could just have a ing normal life...come home @ 5:00..sit and watch the news with my wife and have some kids".
I'm doing that now...and I'm just as happy as I was before...it's just a different kind of happiness....swapping one set of problems for another.
If you think I believe that then I think you should read what I actually posted. I pretty much spelled it out in two separate posts.I think the people who say that the most are people without children.
People want different things out of their lives. Fine. But I don't think Manny seriously believes that "pursuing careers and exploring the world" are options to only the childless; maybe just a heat of the moment statement because I'm sure he knows as many people who have done it as I do.
Having done all those things myself, I believe that none would have been nearly as fulfulling without the others. But that's me. I am certain, however, that the choice to do what I wanted, when I wanted is what contributed to the satisfaction I get from those accomplishments.
And the decision of "what" and "when" women do with their lives is what they are trying to take away. And that is wrong.
I agree with the rest of your post.
I think the people who say that the most are people without children.
People want different things out of their lives. Fine. But I don't think Manny seriously believes that "pursuing careers and exploring the world" are options to only the childless; maybe just a heat of the moment statement because I'm sure he knows as many people who have done it as I do.
Having done all those things myself, I believe that none would have been nearly as fulfulling without the others. But that's me. I am certain, however, that the choice to do what I wanted, when I wanted is what contributed to the satisfaction I get from those accomplishments.
And the decision of "what" and "when" women do with their lives is what they are trying to take away. And that is wrong.
So do the pro-lifers support social programs for babies that are born?
Patronizing.
61% of women having an abortion already have at least one child, and 34% have more than one child. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/US-Abortion-Patients.pdf
I am being serious. I hear the pro-lifers proclaiming to speak for the unborn.. yet they seem to scoff at any social program spending...
Possibly, but also valid. If you're going to prevent a woman from aborting a child that she can't support then there needs to be a system in place to give the child similar conditions to another child that was planned and wanted. Otherwise you're punishing the child for being born, a decision he/she had absolutely nothing to do with.
On a side note, I am for any program that stops people from getting pregnant. This in the end decreases abortions as a whole. With that being said the people who are pro life typically are against any type of birth control being available on the public dime..
This is predicated upon the premise that there are women being "prevented" from having an abortion.
I'm not sure this is the case. Are there women who might want or need one but can't afford one? Almost certainly. But who's preventing who?
When you can, with certainty name the who, then you better be sure the who's don't have some support programs in place.
My point is that if pro-lifers are successful and take away the right to choose..then what?
Maalox, I apparently cannot read worth a damn. I'm an idiot.
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