Manu better than Kobe THIS season. Facts don't lie.

[mikeschy55]

If that's the sole measuring stick, then Shaq > Kobe
If rings are the sole measuring stick, then Horry > MJ > Kobe

It's silly. The league already hands a 'best player of the year' trophy. Kobe has one. Lebron has the last two.

Very... very deep analysis here by ElNono

In all honesty though....As I just said to your other Spurs homer, ask yourself if Manu compares to the list of multiple Finals MVP winners. That's what Kobe and MJ are, Duncan as well. No matter how well Manu may be playing RIGHT NOW, the best player on the floor for you come playoff time will be Duncan. The best player in the league come playoff time, will be Kobe Bryant..... Manu.... well he'll just be Manu.

[mikeschy55]

mikeschy55 I have to ask, do you even watch NBA games?

Serious question.

Do you wipe your own ass? Serious question man

Sorry I don't agree with Manu>Kobe

[jestersmash]

And that's all she wrote, folks...

[jestersmash]

Do you wipe your own ass? Serious question man

I do, usually while sitting, though I've recently learned that there's a school of thought that suggests wiping your ass while partially standing might promote better cleanliness overall.

Are you a sitter or a stander?

[FkLA]

Very... very deep analysis here by ElNono

In all honesty though....As I just said to your other Spurs homer, ask yourself if Manu compares to the list of multiple Finals MVP winners. That's what Kobe and MJ are, Duncan as well. No matter how well Manu may be playing RIGHT NOW, the best player on the floor for you come playoff time will be Duncan. The best player in the league come playoff time, will be Kobe Bryant..... Manu.... well he'll just be Manu.

Duncan and Shaq both have more finals MVPs than Kobe...shouldnt they be the best players in the league playoff time ??

[mikeschy55]

I do, usually while sitting, though I've recently learned that there's a school of thought that suggests wiping your ass while partially standing might promote better cleanliness overall.

Are you a sitter or a stander?

Yea o.k.... we're just going to leave it at that.

[ElNono]

Very... very deep analysis here by ElNono

Just as deep as your Finals MVP analysis, tbh

In all honesty though....As I just said to your other Spurs homer, ask yourself if Manu compares to the list of multiple Finals MVP winners. That's what Kobe and MJ are, Duncan as well. No matter how well Manu may be playing RIGHT NOW, the best player on the floor for you come playoff time will be Duncan. The best player in the league come playoff time, will be Kobe Bryant.

Manu had more than a hand in our championships. Pop himself said we wouldn't have won in '05 and '07 without him.
Finals MVP is nice and all, but it's not even representative of the entire playoffs. Case in point, if not for Fish, Artest and Gasol bailing him out in previous series and games, Kobe doesn't even get his.

Again, the best player in the league for the past few seasons has been clearly Lebron. The way Cleveland is struggling after his departure should really leave little doubt about it.

[mikeschy55]

Duncan and Shaq both have more finals MVPs than Kobe...shouldnt they be the best players in the league playoff time ??

Trying to oversimplify the logic isn't getting you anywhere. If you have won the MVP finals more than once, your more than likely one of the best players to ever step foot on the floor. Manu Giniboli isn't one of those players. If you want to believe that Manu Ginobili is better than Kobe Bryant... be my guest. He'll show you wrong come playoff time..... again.

[Tp9gospursgo]

Has he blocked Yao ... multiple times? Nah uh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVICUds1X4k

[FkLA]

Trying to oversimplify the logic isn't getting you anywhere. If you want to believe that Manu Ginobili is better than Kobe Bryant... be my guest. He'll show you wrong come playoff time..... again.

so the logic only works when it supports your argument? god bless you and your family son.

also how is kobe just cruising, watch him play...watch him chuck up shots like hes always done just at a much more ineffective rate, and then comeback and say that hes cruising with a straight face. jester nailed itt--it doesnt seem like u even watch games tbh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVICUds1X4k

thats a dunk not a block tbh

[mikeschy55]

so the logic only works when it supports your argument? god bless you and your family son.

also how is kobe just cruising, watch him play...watch him chuck up shots like hes always done just at a much more ineffective rate, and then comeback and say that hes cruising with a straight face. jester nailed itt--it doesnt seem like u even watch games tbh.

No, I actually laid the incredibly simple logic out for you in my last post.

Multiple MVP winner (2,3,4 however many)= one of the best players to ever play. Manu is not that. God bless your homerism

thats a dunk not a block tbh

[DMC]

Wow learn how to use quote tags.

[DMC]

if manu was the leader of his team, he would have no rings. replace kobe with manu the past two years, the lakers may not even get out of the first round either year.

We already know if you remove Gasol, Kobe loses to the Suns in the 1st round. That's not even a debate.

I will give Kobe this: He's developed on ONE team, unlike the mercs that the Lakers splurged on who have been developed by other franchises and find their way to LA to help the "greatest of all time" win a ring. This is the same thing the majority of you guys ed non stop about with Lebron. The "ya but" arguments are pointless, one big name went to play with another big name to get over the hump. Pau was a big name, Shaq was a big name. Both were the best players on their respective teams.

When have the Spurs ever acquired the best player from another team to get over the hump? Every ring the Lakers have since Kobe's been playing has come under those cir stances. Just as Wade's legacy will be tarnished by needing Shaq and Lebron to get over the hump (if they do), Kobe's will be by needing Pau and Shaq.

No role players have played better because they were on the Lakers team. All they had to do was fit in and pass the ball to Kobe or Shaq or Pau, and occasionally Bynum. Sasha ed up by shooting a couple of times and Fish just has tenure. On the other hand, the Spurs role players improve in order to get the Spurs past mediocrity. What other team in the league boasts the kinds of performances we see every game from Spurs role players? Some of these same guys weren't even noticed before the Spurs acquired them. We made RMJ look like Ray Allen for a year. Now he doesn't even get a minute a game in NY.

[FkLA]

Who is saying that Manu is an all-time great, or that Manu's career is better than Kobe's? Noone. Youre arguing by yourself there.

Kobe hasnt been the best player in the league in years, thats basically what everyone other then the lovable cubby disagrees with. Still waiting for you to tell me how Kobe is simply cruising this season too.

Wow learn how to use quote tags.

[Dayum78]

Just as deep as your Finals MVP analysis, tbh

Again, the best player in the league for the past few seasons has been clearly Lebron. The way Cleveland is struggling after his departure should really leave little doubt about it.

Not just Lebron left Cleveland its the entire team..

[FkLA]

solid first post

[NRHector]

We already know if you remove Gasol, Kobe loses to the Suns in the 1st round. That's not even a debate.

I will give Kobe this: He's developed on ONE team, unlike the mercs that the Lakers splurged on who have been developed by other franchises and find their way to LA to help the "greatest of all time" win a ring. This is the same thing the majority of you guys ed non stop about with Lebron. The "ya but" arguments are pointless, one big name went to play with another big name to get over the hump. Pau was a big name, Shaq was a big name. Both were the best players on their respective teams.

When have the Spurs ever acquired the best player from another team to get over the hump? Every ring the Lakers have since Kobe's been playing has come under those cir stances. Just as Wade's legacy will be tarnished by needing Shaq and Lebron to get over the hump (if they do), Kobe's will be by needing Pau and Shaq.

No role players have played better because they were on the Lakers team. All they had to do was fit in and pass the ball to Kobe or Shaq or Pau, and occasionally Bynum. Sasha ed up by shooting a couple of times and Fish just has tenure. On the other hand, the Spurs role players improve in order to get the Spurs past mediocrity. What other team in the league boasts the kinds of performances we see every game from Spurs role players? Some of these same guys weren't even noticed before the Spurs acquired them. We made RMJ look like Ray Allen for a year. Now he doesn't even get a minute a game in NY.

this

[ElNono]

Not just Lebron left Cleveland its the entire team..

Big Z and Shaq are the only two significant minutes-getters that left. Jamison, Mo Williams, Varejao, JJ Hickson, Boobie Gibson, Anthony Parker... they're all there. They also added Sessions. Went from best record in the league to worst.

[Venti Quattro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVICUds1X4k

[jestersmash]

[ezau]

Better scorer: Kobe
Better passer/playmaker: Manu

thread over, es.

[ezau]

i think manu is incredibly skilled. id say hes honestly about even to kobe in terms of skills, and in some ways he is even more skilled (his craftiness in getting to the rim is something ive never seen before), but physically, he is considerably inferior. if he had kobes athletic ability, id say he would be every bit as good or better than Kobe. unfortunately for him, he doesnt have that ability, and thats why he will never be better than a #2 option on a team that contends for a championship.

I'd say Kobe is stronger and more athletic than Manu, but Manu's agility is all-world. That makes him really, really effective.

[jjktkk]

Better scorer: Kobe
Better passer/playmaker: Manu

thread over, es.

+1. Nothing to see here folks, move on.

[Phillip]

We already know if you remove Gasol, Kobe loses to the Suns in the 1st round. That's not even a debate.

what kind of ing dumbass post is this?

if you remove duncan, the spurs may not even make the playoffs in some or all of the years they won it all with manu on the team.

[Phillip]

I'd say Kobe is stronger and more athletic than Manu, but Manu's agility is all-world. That makes him really, really effective.

i agree. his first step is sick.