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Parker is not in the top 5.
CP3
DWill
Rose
Westbrook
Rondo
I'll admit I have been a pretty staunch supporter of Dwill as the best PG in the NBA. After Paul's injury, I figured Dwill had pretty much made it a closed argument. But this year, Paul with less explosion, has been running an extremely efficient half-court offense, which in some ways is even MORE impressive than his MVP campaign a few years back.
Now many are saying Rose has surpassed them both
Parker is on pace for a career high in assists and is scoring as usual
Westbrook has made huge strides
Rondo has put up crazy assist totals
So I ask, who is the best PG RIGHT now in the NBA? You can use whatever criteria you want, but please at least include WHY and rank your top 5.
Parker is not in the top 5.
CP3
DWill
Rose
Westbrook
Rondo
Rose
Dwill
CP3
Westbrook
Rondo Nash
George hill
Chris Quinn
wait me
CP3
DWill
Nash
Rose
Westbrook
Things to consider, If it helps, when scouting/evaluating HS PG's, here is the criteria I look at:
- Half-court efficency: Who gets their team the best shots in half-court?
- Fast break: Who is the best at making sure their TEAM gets a good score in transition?
- Post entry passing: Who feeds the bigs the best?
- Pentration: Who can get to the basket with the least amount of screening?
- Clutch FT shooting: who makes them when they count? My biggest pet peeve is PG's that cant hit FT's
- Shooting: Who is best at the 3 point and mid range shooting?
- Post play (ofense/Defense): who punishes smaller defenders and who can hold their own inside when overmatched.
- On ball defense: who is best at staying in front of their man, who needs the least amount of "help"?
- Help defense: getting steals, playing passing lanes, deflections and double teaming
- Isolation play: when needed who can get their own shot?
- Half-court efficency: Who gets their team the best shots in half-court? Rondo, Nash, Paul, Kidd
- Fast break: Who is the best at making sure their TEAM gets a good score in transition? Nash, Paul, Kidd
- Post entry passing: Who feeds the bigs the best?
- Pentration: Who can get to the basket with the least amount of screening? Rose, , Parker, Westbrook
- Clutch FT shooting: who makes them when they count? My biggest pet peeve is PG's that cant hit FT's; Nash
- Shooting: Who is best at the 3 point and mid range shooting? Nash, D-Will
- Post play (ofense/Defense): who punishes smaller defenders and who can hold their own inside when overmatched. Billups, D-Will, Kidd
- On ball defense: who is best at staying in front of their man, who needs the least amount of "help"? Rondo, Hill, Parker this season
- Help defense: getting steals, playing passing lanes, deflections and double teaming. Rondo, Paul
- Isolation play: Rose, DWill, Westbrook, Paul, Parker, Nash
Lots of good PG's out there right now.
I'll go...
CP3
D-Will
Rose
Rondo
Nash
With Parker and Westbrook right there.
Given your pet peeve, Rondo must really piss you off.
1a. Jason Kidd
1b. JJ Barrea
Half-court efficency:
1. Rondo
2. Paul
3. Nash
4. Dwill
5. Parker
Tough to choose here and I almost went Paul ...but celts have the best FG% with all of the injuries and despite Rondo's shooting woes. they rarely take bad shots with him in the game.
Rose is top right now IMO.
He's simply unguardable, he has an effective jumper, he can get to the basket at will, he's rugged, he's a willing passer, his athleticism let's him help on the boards and he doesn't make many mistakes. He also looks like a fairly level headed guy.
My top 5 right now:
1) Rose
2) Rondo
3) Paulina
4) DWill
5) Open to debate (Westbrook/Parker/Brooks could all make a case)
Rondo is pretty good at that too.Help defense: getting steals, playing passing lanes, deflections and double teaming. Rose, Paul
Mistype
I was thinking Rondo, not Rose
On the break: (man this is tough)
I'll skip for now ...penetrtion:
1. Rose
2. Parker
3. Westbrook
4. Rondo
5. Paul
1. CP3
1. Deron Williams
3. Rondo
3. Rose
5. Nash
I always bounce back and forth between Dwill and CP3 for my best PG, I think the differences are minimal in terms of who is the best overall point guard. They both bring A LOT to the table.
I'm also torn with Rondo and Rose, however I do think my tiers are somewhat accurate. I think CP/DW are on another level, then Rondo/Rose are on a separate level behind them. Then everyone else is below, but that's not to say there isn't many more really good PGs in the league. In fact I'm almost inclined to even have Nash in this 2nd tier, and it would surprise a lot of people because no one ever talks about Nash anymore because the Suns are not irrelevant, they don't have Amare, Nash is older, etc. but he is still a great PG. Anyway, the reason why Rose isn't at the top is because IMO he is not as much of a PG as the other guys, even though he's averaging 8 assists or so. I view Rose very much so like a better version of Westbrook, and his skill is simply enough to have him that high. Rondo to me is also not as high as the others mainly because I think his assists numbers are inflated by bull . This bull I speak of consists of many things: 1. with all the dudes on his team and him never really looking to shoot himself very often, he's got all game to pass to wide open Pierces, Allens, Garnetts, O'neals (even literally multiple O'Neal)..he's just got a lot of talent and easy assists options around him for many MPG. He looks like he's simply out there for assists at times, running around dribbling looking for people to pass to 2. Well hey, didn't we just hear about scorers table giving him free assists??? lol
And Nash is still a damn good PG, and has been for most of his time in the league. He's still averaging 17 points, 11 assists, without Amare, shooting 53.2% from the field. On top of what I already know of Nash from observation, these numbers are great for his age and his current team.
1. CP3
1. Deron Williams
3. Rondo
3. Rose
5. Nash
I always bounce back and forth between Dwill and CP3 for my best PG, I think the differences are minimal in terms of who is the best overall point guard. They both bring A LOT to the table.
I'm also torn with Rondo and Rose, however I do think my tiers are somewhat accurate. I think CP/DW are on another level, then Rondo/Rose are on a separate level behind them. Then everyone else is below, but that's not to say there isn't many more really good PGs in the league. In fact I'm almost inclined to even have Nash in this 2nd tier, and it would surprise a lot of people because no one ever talks about Nash anymore because the Suns are now irrelevant, they don't have Amare, Nash is older, etc. but he is still a great PG. Anyway, the reason why Rose isn't at the top is because IMO he is not as much of a PG as the other guys, even though he's averaging 8 assists or so. I view Rose very much so like a better version of Westbrook, and his skill is simply enough to have him that high. Rondo to me is also not as high as the others mainly because I think his assists numbers are inflated by bull . This bull I speak of consists of many things: 1. with all the dudes on his team and him never really looking to shoot himself very often, he's got all game to pass to wide open Pierces, Allens, Garnetts, O'neals (even literally multiple O'Neal)..he's just got a lot of talent and easy assists options around him for many MPG. He looks like he's simply out there for assists at times, running around dribbling looking for people to pass to 2. Well hey, didn't we just hear about scorers table giving him free assists??? lol
And Nash is still a damn good PG, and has been for most of his time in the league. He's still averaging 17 points, 11 assists, without Amare, shooting 53.2% from the field. On top of what I already know of Nash from observation, these numbers are great for his age and his current team.
Last edited by ALVAREZ6; 01-27-2011 at 02:45 PM.
Clutch FT shooting: (not by numbers but who i trust late ...)
1. Nash
2. Billups
3. Paul
4. Dwill
5. Parker
18. Rose
20. Kidd
28. rondo
1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Derrick Rose
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Tony Parker
Serious comment? How does Brooks make a case for being the fifth best PG?
he is not the only one cant stand Farmar for that reason ...but he is no where near this list ...Lots of good PG's out there right now.
I'll go...
CP3
D-Will
Rose
Rondo
Nash
With Parker and Westbrook right there.
Given your pet peeve, Rondo must really piss you off.
If we can talk about Nash when Phoenix is ranked below Houston, I don't see why Brooks would be out of the question. I just really see a fairly significant drop in the position after the first four I mentioned. I think any of those guys, along with Nash can make a case for the 5th spot.
He has pretty much the same qualities of Parker with a better 3 point shot, and maybe worse defense. He's simply a good player in a bad team right now.
Fast break:
1. Nash
2. kidd
3. Paul
4. rondo
5. not sure? ...will put Dwill for now ...but felton and others come to mind ...
His defense is significantly worse than Parkers and his playmaking for other teammates arent even Top 10 PG worthy imo.
Hes only a top 8 PG when he plays the Lakers, tbh.
Post play:
1. Dwill
2. kidd
3. Billups
4. Baron (hate that guy but he is good at it)
5. Rose
shooting:
1. Nash
2. Curry
3. Dwill
4. Paul
5. Billups
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