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Nash is an incredible offensive force, but his complete lack of effectiveness on the defensive side of the ball should eliminate him from a discussion of who is the best point guard.
1. DWill
2. Rose
3. Rondo
4. CP3
5. Parker
Agree to disagree. Nash is still a great pg, but in my top 5 ranking, wins and losses is part of my evaluation.
Nash is an incredible offensive force, but his complete lack of effectiveness on the defensive side of the ball should eliminate him from a discussion of who is the best point guard.
1. DWill
2. Rose
3. Rondo
4. CP3
5. Parker
Dwill is the best. he plays on a team of total scrubs. can you imagine if he had the options Rondont has??
Wins and losses is a great metric for an individual's playing capability. Blake Griffin is pretty damn terrible tbh, he's on one of the worst teams in the entire league!
By contrast, Derek Fisher is one of the elite point guards. Everywhere he goes, he plays on teams with very solid winning records.
For the first half of his career (actually majority), Kevin Garnett was a in scrub! He did nothing. But now...well damn look at how much better Kevin Garnett is today than he was 5 years ago. He's a HOF now.
thats great, except your top 5 ranking is ing re ed to be based off of that, considering his history of doing so, even up to this year. he has a ridiculously awful team (that would be fortunate to win 20 games without him) still somehow in contention of making a low playoff seed.
Wins and losses is a great metric for an individual's playing capability. Blake Griffin is pretty damn terrible tbh, he's on one of the worst teams in the entire league!
By contrast, Derek Fisher is one of the elite point guards. Everywhere he goes, he plays on teams with very solid winning records.
For the first half of his career (actually majority), Kevin Garnett was a in scrub! He did nothing. But now...well damn look at how much better Kevin Garnett is today than he was 5 years ago. He's a HOF now.
good post for an argie
Other criteria:
Ball handling: Who has the best handles, cross-over, behind the back etc.
Finisher: Now Westbrook, rose, rondo and dwill are the best dunkers (espcially first two) but Nash and parker are great great finishers because of their "touch"
Nash should still be in the discussion his PER is in the top 2-3 PGs and is nighty filling up the stats. The only thing is he is and never has been a great defender and his team sucks but he still seems to play with passion.
About the only thing all of us can agree on is that Paul and Williams are still in the mix for the very best and Rose right there and there a handful of other very good to excellent PGs that on any given night can put up a show. It truly is the most stacked position in the NBA right now. For myself I would take Deron Williams anytime for my team as the top one.
Derek Fisher elite? I never thought Fisher was elite. Big game performer, but he never was a elite pg. Fisher couldn't break an opponent down or finish at rim or dish, make a great pass. Fisher was/is a tough compe or. Which brings us to the point on a pg's surrounding cast. Fisher has always had a great supporting cast. Put Fisher on a bad team, say the Cavs, and it woulnd't be pretty imo.
Great post. dont disagree but PF is pretty stacked too: Dirk, aldridge, pau, Blake, amare, Love, randolph, KG, Horford ...and duncan if you still consider him a PF ...
PF is deeper though maybe not as "top heavy" TBH ...
Since that very obvious sarcasm went right over your head, I can now say I understand why you think W/Ls are a good measure of any individual player's skill.
Funny how Rondo gets so much love. Mario Chalmers is now starting. He is already better than Rondo at D and shooting. Rondo is better at slashing and passing for now. Chalmers will be a top 10 pg very soon. Now that he is starting, he will keep getting better and better. This kid has some serious untapped potential which will be developed with Bron and Wade.
*shaking head*
Nash is still an elite PG but he isn't in the top 5 conversation, nothing related to wins or losses but he is a damn awful defender.
I'd go with:
1. Rose - he is so explosive right now, he added a quite reliable 3 pointer, he is good defender
2. CP3 - I'd give the edge to CP3 over DWill
3. DWill
4/5. TP/Rondo, Rondo is tough on D, he is perfect at feeding his squad but his FT% and his lack of JS is hurting him a bit. In parallel TP Defense is much better than last year, he has a carreer high on steals without gambling too much, he is stable in FG% and increased his assists. More important he is playing like a vet doing what his team needs at the right moment. Still capable to take over a game by himself.
6. Westbrook is having a great season but dude must improve his shot selection, sometimes he is capable of taking 3 / 4 bad shoots in a row, his FG% is sometimes awful, 43% on the season. I prefer TP 18 ppg at 50% rather than 22 pts at 43%
Chalmers ? lol well if it's happen it's a long long shot
Dude Chalmers is already better than Rondo at everything except slashing and passing. Chalmers will improve on his passing as he progresses. His slashing isn't a necessity with this team. Give me Chalmers over Rondo anyday of the week.
not sure if serious
Parker is a scoring PG, so that needs to be considered when measuring him against others. I think Parker is in the top 3 in the league. Rose plays more like a shooting guard. Rondo is pretty much a passer 1st, and his teammates can finish at a very high clip. Parker doesn't see the floor nearly as good as Nash (who does?) or Rondo, but he attacks multiple defenders on the break with a very high rate of success.
fair enough PF is also very stacked with great players and it is interesting the two rookies will be drawing raves for year are Wall and Griffin adding to the respective mixes.
rondo is about the only truly good defender on that list. pretty much everyone else either just goes for steals, or tries to play physically but still gets burnt. TP has no business being ranked ahead of nash, if your only knock on nash is his defense, because parker is every bit as bad defensively.
Parker is def top 5.
incorrect, shortstack
It could be his freakishly large hands. *shrug* Probably the same reason he's not a good FT shooter.
Rondo is getting elevated because he plays decent D, which Nash doesn't.
Kind of important for a point guard, isn't it?
That's like saying that one C is better at everything, except rebounding.
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