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    Believe. Pedobear1's Avatar
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    Laker fans, I warn you, do not read this.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...in-crunch-time

    Bryant has racked up almost as many airballs as makes
    Bryant shoots more than most, passes less, and racks up misses at an all-time rate.
    When Bryant is on the floor in crunch time, Bryant's Lakers are actually outscored by their opponents.
    There are a number of other things everyone here should read.

    While I'm typing this, I gotta give credit to Chris Paul...



    That's not what happens, though. In the final 24 seconds of close games the Laker offense regresses horribly, managing just 82 points per 100 possessions. And it's not a simple case of every team having a hard time scoring in crunch time. Over Bryant's career, 11 teams have had better crunch time offenses, led by the Hornets with a shocking 107 points per 100 possessions in crunch time, a huge credit to Chris Paul.
    I'd love to hear some of these claims disputed...but most liekly gonna get butthurt Laker fans who can't back up their arguments tbh..

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    Dryer than Kunta's ankles Ashy Larry's Avatar
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    Pretty good article by Abbott ....most Laker fans will flip out. to be expected but it's whatever. Bean has had his moments but he has missed more than he makes.

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    Still would take him in the last few minutes over anybody in the league. You gotta have balls & no fear of criticism to get to the top.

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Laker fans, I warn you, do not read this.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...in-crunch-time



    There are a number of other things everyone here should read.

    While I'm typing this, I gotta give credit to Chris Paul...



    I'd love to hear some of these claims disputed...but most liekly gonna get butthurt Laker fans who can't back up their arguments tbh..
    good read.

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    Really good article. Better statistical information proving Kobe's unclutchness than most articles in the past.

    Actually makes it quite surprising the amount of success the Lakers have had considering how unclutch their offense is in crunchtime.

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    Laker fans, I warn you, do not read this.


    I'd love to hear some of these claims disputed...but most liekly gonna get butthurt Laker fans who can't back up their arguments tbh..
    The NoobTroll trying to troll Lakers fans but failing miserably.

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    But Kobe has five championships, so he's clutch.

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    The Dude minds DPG21920's Avatar
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    I don't see how it's trolling. It takes reputation out of the equation and looks at the facts. Many people have argued this point (and met a ton of resistance) for a while now.

    Doesn't mean Kobe can't get it done, just means that the shadow is bigger than the body.

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    The NoobTroll trying to troll Lakers fans but failing miserably.

    ? Just showing that Kobe isn't as clutch as people here like to claim he is...

    I'm shocked most of them are accepting the reality. Until cully comes with his

    Duncan: 4

    Kobe: 5

    tee,hee

    etc.

    tbh

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    Dragon style JamStone's Avatar
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    Abbott does throw Kobe an olive branch in the article so it's not all Kobe bashing. But he also uses this quasi-praise in explaining how Kobe's perception of being clutch is skewed.

    The makes
    Nobody playing today has a crunch time résumé with half the excitement, or sheer bulk, of Bryant's: A banked 3 against Miami in 2009. Two ridiculous plays in Game 4 in that 2006 playoff series against the Suns. Making the Celtics' great defense look meaningless. Those four shots would make a career for most All-Stars. They are a mere eighth of Bryant's best moments.

    Respect the brute force of numbers. If you want to see someone who has proven he can hit big buckets, nobody can rival his collected works. That speaks to his preparation, his dedication, the trust his teammates have in him, and more subtle things like how his training regimen has kept him healthy and productive for such a long time.

    At all times he's cool as . At all times he's polished, fearless, ruthless even. Most of the time he's double-teamed. The shots are impossibly difficult. It's intimidating. He looks like a robot of crunch time destruction, if robots could jump really high, shoot really well and scowl really hard.

    Nobody can match that. And so we live in a world where Bryant has been appointed king of all crunch time and it's not hard to see why.

    And well worth noting is that over that period he has clearly been one of the best players in the world, period, leading a team that has won five championships and has the potential to win more.

    Bryant's absolutely the best in the world at the game of winning the hearts and minds of crunch time. A lot goes into it: creating shots against any defense, staying calm, ignoring fear and more. It's about who most has the rest of the league by the throat. In that game, it's cowardly to pass the ball, and misses are merely the cost of doing business. In that game, degree of difficulty counts.

    That game, though, is not basketball.

    In basketball, entrusting the ball to the open teammate really does benefit the team. Remember when Jordan passed to a wide open Bill Wennington in the lane? Or to Steve Kerr or John Paxson in the Finals?

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    I don't see how it's trolling. It takes reputation out of the equation and looks at the facts. Many people have argued this point (and met a ton of resistance) for a while now.

    Doesn't mean Kobe can't get it done, just means that the shadow is bigger than the body.
    Exactly...DPG gets it..

    If I had 3 chances to win the game at the end of a game, I'd let Kobe do it...

    If I only had 1, I'd go with 'Melo..

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    I don't see how it's trolling. It takes reputation out of the equation and looks at the facts. Many people have argued this point (and met a ton of resistance) for a while now.

    Doesn't mean Kobe can't get it done, just means that the shadow is bigger than the body.
    its trolling when you make a thread expecting to get butthurt responses as stated by the OP.

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Exactly...DPG gets it..

    If I had 3 chances to win the game at the end of a game, I'd let Kobe do it...

    If I only had 1, I'd go with 'Melo..
    Well good for you!

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    The Dude minds DPG21920's Avatar
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    No, it's not trolling. In fact, if anything, it's reverse trolling by Laker fans who are trying their best to sound "impartial" when they really want to argue because they are Kobe fans

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    LOL nobody would take Melo, theres a reason why his team has never won . He's a mental midget & collapses when the going gets tough haha.

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    Tim Duncan #1 TheNextGen's Avatar
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    No, it's not trolling. In fact, if anything, it's reverse trolling by Laker fans who are trying their best to sound "impartial" when they really want to argue because they are Kobe fans
    oh god..reverse trolling = OP troll fail.

    get with the program DPG.

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    oh god..reverse trolling = OP troll fail.

    get with the program DPG.
    ahh the counter troll method. ftw

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    LOL nobody would take Melo, theres a reason why his team has never won . He's a mental midget & collapses when the going gets tough haha.
    Again with the perception. When you look at the clutch numbers, Melo>Kobe.

    Just because Kobe has stacked teams, and hogs every clutch shot, doesn't make him better. It makes him a chucker.

    Kobe was missing the playoffs before Gasol arrived, why wasn't he "winning " then?

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Again with the perception. When you look at the clutch numbers, Melo>Kobe.

    Just because Kobe has stacked teams, and hogs every clutch shot, doesn't make him better. It makes him a chucker.

    Kobe was missing the playoffs before Gasol arrived, why wasn't he "winning " then?
    why wasnt melo?

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    Melo was maximizing what he was getting from his team. They were making playoff runs, even though he didn't win a le.

    That still doesn't change the fact that by all factual evidence, Melo is > Kobe in the clutch as defined by the article.

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    That still doesn't change the fact that by all factual evidence, Melo is > Kobe in the clutch as defined by the article.
    Sweet!

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    Melo hasn't missed the playoffs IIRC. Kobe has.

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    its trolling when you make a thread expecting to get butthurt responses as stated by the OP.


    I was trolling by posting an article that's featured on ESPN on an NBA discussion forum?...

    Most Laker fans here get butthurt whenever people talk about Kobe, I was merely predicting the reactions tbh...


    Also, j.dizzle, you would take Kobe in the clutch over Melo? Did you read the article or was it too long

    Kobe is so easy to guard in the clutch because he's very predictable...he gets the ball, he's gonna shoot, and less than 1/3 of those shots is gonna go in...

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    If you don't want to discuss the merits of the article, why are you in here?

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Props to Melo for being more clutch then Kobe!!!

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