The truth about Kobe's reputation as a clutch player

[TheGreatest23]

lol DPG seems like he is about to cry.

[DPG21920]

Props to Melo for being more clutch then Kobe!!!

Here is some of that anger from Kobe fan starting to surface. We knew they couldn't hold out long.

I'm impressed they lasted 6 minutes tbh.

[Jelloisjigglin]

Melo was maximizing what he was getting from his team. They were making playoff runs, even though he didn't win a le.

That still doesn't change the fact that by all factual evidence, Melo is > Kobe in the clutch as defined by the article.

I've wanted the Lakers to trade his anti clutch ass for years. Tired of this scrub.

[j.dizzle]

Again with the perception. When you look at the clutch numbers, Melo>Kobe.

Just because Kobe has stacked teams, and hogs every clutch shot, doesn't make him better. It makes him a chucker.

Kobe was missing the playoffs before Gasol arrived, why wasn't he "winning " then?

Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Chris Mihm, Brian Cook etc. Come on son, atleast come back with something good. Melo has had stacked teams & hasnt won a damn thing. Kobe owns the Nuggets in the playoffs. "Jesus couldnt cover Kobe"- Coach Karl

[DPG21920]

lol DPG seems like he is about to cry.

It's because I'm typing this from the Quickens Loan Arena.

[Zelophehad]

Props to Melo for being more clutch then Kobe!!!

What, if anything, did you gather from reading that article?

[DPG21920]

I've wanted the Lakers to trade his anti clutch ass for years. Tired of this scrub.

Kobe is not a scrub and Kobe is definitely better than Melo. Just not in the "clutch" as outlined in the article.

[TheMACHINE]

Melo hasn't missed the playoffs IIRC. Kobe has.

Props to Melo never missing the playoffs! Hooray!!

[z0sa]

Lakerfan meltdown thread has commenced.

[redzero]

I was thinking about posting this article earlier, but I knew there would be a storm.

[TheMACHINE]

Here is some of that anger from Kobe fan starting to surface. We knew they couldn't hold out long.

I'm impressed they lasted 6 minutes tbh.

Props to DPG for knowing something!!! whoo hooo!

[jjktkk]

It can't be trolling when the Op is a Spurs fan. How can a Spurs fan troll on a Spurs fan website?

tee hee

[Zelophehad]

What, if anything, did you gather from reading that article?

[TinTin]

No, it's not trolling. In fact, if anything, it's reverse trolling by Laker fans who are trying their best to sound "impartial" when they really want to argue because they are Kobe fans

ahh the counter troll method. ftw

why wasnt melo?

[TheGreatest23]

lol spurs thinking there is a meltdown but lakers fan troll reversing the spurs fan.

Who in here is really gettig trolled? That is the question.

[DPG21920]

Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Chris Mihm, Brian Cook etc. Come on son, atleast come back with something good. Melo has had stacked teams & hasnt won a damn thing. Kobe owns the Nuggets in the playoffs. "Jesus couldnt cover Kobe"- Coach Karl

Conveniently leaving off Caron Butler and Lamar Odom.

at calling Nene, Andre Miller & Camby stacked

[TheNextGen]

tbh, Nene, Miller and Camby > Odom and Butler in 2005.

[DPG21920]

They Stackkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkeddddddddddddddddd

[TheMACHINE]

They Stackkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkeddddddddddddddddd

tee hee

[DPG21920]

tbh, Nene, Miller and Camby > Odom and Butler in 2005.

No.

[ChrisRichards]

Absolutely a great read. Exactly what these Kobe supporters needed/ A doze of reality.


I think Kobe's biggest enemy is the "Sin Of predictability" and more importantly his Poor Decision Making skills. That IMO has seperated the greater players of all time away from Kobe (Magic, Larry & Jordan).


Jordan knew when to trust his teammates ( Kerr & Paxson's GW shots in the Finals for once) Bird's inbound pass steal and assist to Dennis Johnson etc. I've been saying this for years but people would call me a troll and a hater.




"I sometimes think Kobe is so addicted to being in control that he would rather shoot the ball when guarded, or even double-teamed, than dish it to an open teammate," Jackson wrote in his 2004 book "The Last Season." "He is saying to himself: how can he trust anyone else? Well, he should learn to trust ..."




In one instance, he describes drawing up a play with multiple options, in crunch time of a 2004 playoff series against Houston. Bryant destroyed all the options; instead of setting a baseline screen for Shaquille O'Neal he ran straight to the ball. "With the twenty-four-second clock winding down," writes Jackson, "Kobe forced a long jumper, a horrible shot in the game's most critical possession. The ball did not reach the rim..."

• "Kobe tends to hold on to the ball longer than necessary causing the offense to stagnate."
• "He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid."
• "As usual, Kobe seemed intent on taking over."

Those were quotes from Phil Jackson's book in 2004. I saw a lot of Kobe's games since then and unfortunately his thirst for personal glory has never changed, Kobe is still the same player 8 years ago. THe only difference is Shaq was not here anymore. Gasol, Odom & Ron Artest of all people has masked Kobe's failrues were it mattered the most. The NBA Finals.



I still think Kobe is a great player, I'd pick him over a lot of guys in todays era like Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas & Iverson because I have learned to respect his work ethic and his mental apporach to the game, but lets stop all these other illusions attached to Kobe's resume/legacy.


Kobe is not clutch. Kobe is not the player of this decade/Kobe is not the best player of his generation. Kobe is NOT half the player Jordan was. Kobe does not deserve to be in the Top 10 player list.



IMO Kobe is just like Clyde Drexler but the difference is Clyde never had the same type of role players Kobe had in his career.

[j.dizzle]

Conveniently leaving off Caron Butler and Lamar Odom.

at calling Nene, Andre Miller & Camby stacked

Odom was a mental midget & appeared & disappeared whenever he felt like it. He's actually having his best season as a pro this year IMO. Props to Khloe for turning him into a better man lmao

[hater]

The truth:
getting bailed out by Shaq, Horry, Gasol, Ariza, Fisher when it matters.

[Booharv]

[TheMACHINE]

Absolutely a great read. Exactly what these Kobe supporters needed/ A doze of reality.


I think Kobe's biggest enemy is the "Sin Of predictability" and more importantly his Poor Decision Making skills. That IMO has seperated the greater players of all time away from Kobe (Magic, Larry & Jordan).


Jordan knew when to trust his teammates ( Kerr & Paxson's GW shots in the Finals for once) Bird's inbound pass steal and assist to Dennis Johnson etc. I've been saying this for years but people would call me a troll and a hater.


"I sometimes think Kobe is so addicted to being in control that he would rather shoot the ball when guarded, or even double-teamed, than dish it to an open teammate," Jackson wrote in his 2004 book "The Last Season." "He is saying to himself: how can he trust anyone else? Well, he should learn to trust ..."




In one instance, he describes drawing up a play with multiple options, in crunch time of a 2004 playoff series against Houston. Bryant destroyed all the options; instead of setting a baseline screen for Shaquille O'Neal he ran straight to the ball. "With the twenty-four-second clock winding down," writes Jackson, "Kobe forced a long jumper, a horrible shot in the game's most critical possession. The ball did not reach the rim..."

• "Kobe tends to hold on to the ball longer than necessary causing the offense to stagnate."
• "He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid."
• "As usual, Kobe seemed intent on taking over."

Those were quotes from Phil Jackson's book in 2004. I saw a lot of Kobe's games since then and unfortunately his thirst for personal glory has never changed, Kobe is still the same player 8 years ago.



I still think Kobe is a great player, I'd pick him over a lot of guys in todays era like Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas & Iverson because I have learned to respect his work ethic and his mental apporach to the game, but lets stop all these other illusions attached to Kobe's resume/legacy.


Kobe is not clutch. Kobe is not the player of this decade/Kobe is not the best player of his generation. Kobe is NOT half the player Jordan was. Kobe does not deserve to be in the Top 10 player list.



IMO Kobe is just like Clyde Drexler but the difference is Clyde never had the same type of role players Kobe had in his career.

no one believes anything you say anymore. Go back to the NBA Forum thread list and you'll see why.