ESPN : The truth about Kobe Bryant in the clutch

[JMarkJohns]

it doesn't matter, if you're honestly triple teamed, then someone is WIDE open for a LAYUP, and any nba player can make a wide open layup

I never said triple teamed. I said double teamed, and, very few double teams lead to layups.

I get this. I understand he's not the golden god many have proclaimed him to be. But game on the line, season on the line, I'll let Kobe take the shot over anyone without thinking twice. I know what I've seen, experienced. Maybe I'm ignorant? All I know is it's easy to over-think things. I still maintain this is proof of that.

[HarlemHeat37]

Tyson is 100% correct, perfectly said..

The argument for Kobe's "difficult of shots" in clutch time is a moot point..it actually speaks volumes about some of the arguments that have been made against him, which is that he'll take a clutch shot, regardless of the cir stance, instead of going to a wide open teammate..

Whether your teammates "suck" by NBA standards is irrelevant, they're still NBA players, they're still fully capable of making wide open shots..

I also fail to see why it's always assumed that Kobe is the only superstar player that gets defensive attention from the other team, and is forced to take tough shots..every superstar does, it's part of being a superstar and the best player on your team..in all honesty, Kobe is always the exception, when it's an argument against him..

[Giuseppe]

Jm

[HarlemHeat37]

How exactly is it "over-thinking" though?..they are simple "make or miss" stats..Kobe's mystique as "the best closer in the game" stems from the fact that he has made a lot of game winners over the years, everybody remembers his makes..

When the actual numbers of "made or missed" game winners are presented, how is it over-thinking?..

In fact, by giving reasons for Kobe's unexpectedly low %, such as "different defensive attention", "double teams and triple teams" and other examples, I would say that you are over-thinking it..

[JMarkJohns]

Tyson is 100% correct, perfectly said..

The argument for Kobe's "difficult of shots" in clutch time is a moot point..it actually speaks volumes about some of the arguments that have been made against him, which is that he'll take a clutch shot, regardless of the cir stance, instead of going to a wide open teammate..

Whether your teammates "suck" by NBA standards is irrelevant, they're still NBA players, they're still fully capable of making wide open shots..

I also fail to see why it's always assumed that Kobe is the only superstar player that gets defensive attention from the other team, and is forced to take tough shots..every superstar does, it's part of being a superstar and the best player on your team..in all honesty, Kobe is always the exception, when it's an argument against him..

Logic that doesn't so easily extend to court production. It's simple to say "Parker would make an open shot at a higher rate than Kobe would a contested shot." The truth of the matter isn't always as so simply determined.

[JMarkJohns]

How exactly is it "over-thinking" though?..they are simple "make or miss" stats..Kobe's mystique as "the best closer in the game" stems from the fact that he has made a lot of game winners over the years, everybody remembers his makes..

When the actual numbers of "made or missed" game winners are presented, how is it over-thinking?..

In fact, by giving reasons for Kobe's unexpectedly low %, such as "different defensive attention", "double teams and triple teams" and other examples, I would say that you are over-thinking it..

You lump something together when it would be more effective for your argument to compartmentalize, assuming if segregated, the stats still bare out your desired intent.

An imbalance in a specific category can have a real negative effect on the whole.

I'm wondering why the article wasn't more specific, since such could have destroyed any counter argument.

I know how easy it is to show the truth of a statistic to hide the truth of another.

[Giuseppe]

Jm

[JMarkJohns]

if you're constantly shooting the ball at a low rate then it becomes detrimental to the team. part of being a superstar is having great judgement and knowing when to pass and when to shoot. shooting a low % is not good basketball no matter how kobe fan boy tries to spin it.

I've been critical of Kobe plenty. Certainly no fan boy. What you call spin, I call objectivity. I need to more before I subscribe. But I also understand the futility of arguing with people holding an agenda. I have none. I love when Kobe fails. I've celebrated such too few times in my life to spend more than a passing few seconds even thinking about them.

[Giuseppe]

if you're constantly shooting the ball at a low rate then it becomes detrimental to the team. part of being a superstar is having great judgement and knowing when to pass and when to shoot. shooting a low % is not good basketball no matter how kobe fan boy tries to spin it.

Kobe ringin' back-to-back withstanding.

[Giuseppe]

the lakers being a great TEAM had everything to do with it. i'll never understand why laker fans put their fandom of a certain player above their fandom of the actual TEAM. must go along with that whole LA thing.

Honestly, I do it to agitate the Kobe haters. I enjoyed the outta winning 15 & 16 to draw closer to the Celtics, but, watching the Kobe haters take a fit as he got those two without Daddy soon dwarfed my dedication to team. So you're right.

[ChrisRichards]

HarlemHeat just annihilated everyone's poor logic in this thread

[Giuseppe]

HarlemHeat just annihilated everyone's poor logic in this thread

Our solace rests at:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

[Banzai]

this thread is as pointless as the dump I just dropped.

[DPG21920]

Our solace rests at:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

This is why you are extinct. You are a one trick pony incapable of meaningful, insightful and credible discussion.

[Giuseppe]

This is why you are extinct. You are a one trick pony incapable of meaningful, insightful and credible discussion.

In for penny. In for pound.

[DPG21920]

Incapable. Extinct.

What's next?

[Giuseppe]

17

[DPG21920]

But you can't celebrate it. You are Extinct. You are a beggar. You come to the Spurs for comfort and they spit right in your face.

Pride. Gone with the Extinction.

[Giuseppe]

C'mon, Deep, let's join hands and stroll down the primrose path, clothes optional and toward the end we'll bury the proverbials.

What say old horse?

[DPG21920]

I'm laying next to my lovely GF, Cull. She's lovely and that is all I need.

[Giuseppe]

I'm laying next to my lovely GF, Cull. She's lovely and that is all I need.

Can I watch?

[DPG21920]

No.

[Giuseppe]

No.

Does she ever fantasize about three-somes with another guy, or, another girl?

[Giuseppe]

Aside from her father and you (with your prothestetic) has she ever seen a grown man naked?

[DPG21920]

Not sure. But I want you to notice something. I answer your questions with candor and directly.

This is the difference between you and I. I only wish you could do the same. Don't deflect and don't retreat when someone asks you something.