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  1. #51
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    Did you lock Katie-girl in the basement again? What's with all this prose today?
    I don't know, I'm just shovelin' like crazy.

    I may even have a Kori Poem in me.

  2. #52
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    Kobe's body and ego need the magic transformation. Phil overplaying Pau early on for essential no reason is a head scratcher, though.

  3. #53
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    I may even have a Kori Poem in me.
    "may" ??

  4. #54
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    a princess

    dark eyes hold
    lips invite
    lines exquisite
    tendrils caress
    hands shield treasures
    time forgotten
    arms so girlish
    slender traces
    alabaster deliverance
    the girl, the girl
    The Princess

    - Cubby

  5. #55
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    After all the criticism the Lakers received after stealing Pau Gasol for free, I'm not too sure any team would wanna deal with the Lakers now. That and seriously, who wants to make them even better?

  6. #56
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    That and seriously, who wants to make them even better?
    Memphis. They're the Lakers NBDL team. Watch them ship Marc Gasol for Caracter, Ebanks & Joe Smith.

  7. #57
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    Memphis. They're the Lakers NBDL team. Watch them ship Marc Gasol for Caracter, Ebanks & Joe Smith.
    I think even they may have learned their lesson....

  8. #58
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    I think even they may have learned their lesson....
    LOL. No way in Memphis fan looks back on that Javaris Crittenton/Kwame/Marc Gasol trade for their franchise player and face of the franchise with angst. They undoubtedly think it was a great trade, in fact.

  9. #59
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    Z, just for s & giggles, you're a Memphis die hard and I offer you Pau for Marc straight up today (salary rules don't apply for the sake of this query).

    You in?

    I'm in.

  10. #60
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    The greatest PG in NBA History and the Laker franchise greatest player has spoken:

    LOS ANGELES -- A day after Los Angeles Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said he would consider a trade amid the team's recent struggles, Magic Johnson said on Tuesday the Lakers need to make a deal to improve a team he believes isn't good enough to win a championship.

    "I think we have to," Johnson said. "We have to do something. The Lakers are not responding and two things showed me that -- the Miami Heat Christmas game and then the Boston Celtics game [on Sunday]. When you don't get up for your two biggest games during the season and you have flat performances, then you have to start looking at trade possibilities to improve the team and bring some energy to the team and bring some new life to the team."

  11. #61
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    LOL Magic conveniently avoiding to also mention the beatdown the Spurs, AKA best team in the L, put down on em.

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    "We"?


    I thought Magic is no longer a Laker?

  13. #63
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    So we have:

    West
    Mitch
    PJ
    Magic

    All questioning the team. With Bynum out do they sweep the texas teams they face this week? If not a deal needs to be made ...not a Gasol trade but a move to re-energize the team.

    I was arguing with aheat fan at work yesterday, when was the last time a team made 4 straight finals? IIRC that was the Lakers in 82, 83, 84 and 85 ...they lost in 83 and 84 ...

    That team was energized by worthy and Scott who replaced Norm and wilkes ...thi steam went the other way and got older. That worked last year not sure it will work this year ...

  14. #64
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    The greatest PG in NBA History and the Laker franchise greatest player has spoken:

    LOS ANGELES -- A day after Los Angeles Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said he would consider a trade amid the team's recent struggles, Magic Johnson said on Tuesday the Lakers need to make a deal to improve a team he believes isn't good enough to win a championship.

    "I think we have to," Johnson said. "We have to do something. The Lakers are not responding and two things showed me that -- the Miami Heat Christmas game and then the Boston Celtics game [on Sunday]. When you don't get up for your two biggest games during the season and you have flat performances, then you have to start looking at trade possibilities to improve the team and bring some energy to the team and bring some new life to the team."
    I'm flabbergasted. I still agree it's a ruse, but, it is startling nonetheless.

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    Magic may suck as a late night talkshow host and broadcaster but when it comes to winning les and recognizing success in sports and business ther have been few men in his class.

    So i reverse my field ...if Magic says we are not good enough I believe him. I was giving the team this week to right the ship ... but when my all-time favorite athlete says we are NOT worthy then I must defer to his wisdom.

  16. #66
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    The Lakers have one tradeable chip(Bynum) and an old team with alot of bad contracts. If the Laker's Kupchak can pulloff a trade to markedly improve this current Lakers team, my hats off to em.

  17. #67
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    Magic may suck as a late night talkshow host and broadcaster but when it comes to winning les and recognizing success in sports and business ther have been few men in his class.

    So i reverse my field ...if Magic says we are not good enough I believe him. I was giving the team this week to right the ship ... but when my all-time favorite athlete says we are NOT worthy then I must defer to his wisdom.
    Food for thought.

    ---------

    So, Killa, you do indeed think it's not a faint to inspire the team, that they're actually on the phones?

  18. #68
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    The greatest PG in NBA History and the Laker franchise greatest player has spoken:

    LOS ANGELES -- A day after Los Angeles Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said he would consider a trade amid the team's recent struggles, Magic Johnson said on Tuesday the Lakers need to make a deal to improve a team he believes isn't good enough to win a championship.

    "I think we have to," Johnson said. "We have to do something. The Lakers are not responding and two things showed me that -- the Miami Heat Christmas game and then the Boston Celtics game [on Sunday]. When you don't get up for your two biggest games during the season and you have flat performances, then you have to start looking at trade possibilities to improve the team and bring some energy to the team and bring some new life to the team."
    The guy always has to have something to say, whats new? Too bad the guy sold his piece of the Lakers already....

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    The Lakers don't need magic. They were within 4 points with 5 minutes to go in the Boston game.

    That's when two things happened:

    1) Kobe went " the triangle" mode and decided 1 on 3 was more appropriate. He took bad shots

    2) Bynum/Gasol didn't run their little fannies down the floor once Boston obtained the defensive rebound and pushed the ball, leading to an easy Boston bucket or two.

    Solution: Tell Kobe to start running some god damned team-centric offense where the open man with the best look takes the shot, period. Kobe's teammates are at fault here because they didn't even bother to ask for any real offense to be run down the stretch. They merely assumed that Kobe was capable of 1 on 3 the rest of the way because he had a good shooting night. How ing arrogant. Run some god damned offense. It really is that simple.

    Tell everyone on the Lakers team (Bynum/Gasol, particularly) to run their asses down the floor once Boston secures a defensive rebound. Transition defense.

    Just watch the last handful of possessions of the game. How many Lakers fans have watched this?



    The problem is execution and poor transition defense, and everybody is to blame, including Kobe. The Lakers kept the game compe ive with arguably the best team in basketball (Boston Celtics) up until 5 minutes left in the game. You don't need a trade. You need Phil to grow some balls and actually coach Kobe, for once, instead of letting him try to figure it out on his own.

    This "Kobe-can-do-no-wrong" mentality of Lakers fans is just laughable. He made mistakes down the stretch. His teammates are to blame as well for not realizing it. You don't need a trade, you need to play team ball when the game is close.

    Watch every Laker player not named Kobe on those last handful of possessions. They clearly don't feel like they are part of the offense, perhaps because they assume Kobe is going to do his own thing anyway. Everybody is to blame. Figure it out, it's really not that difficult.

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    The Lakers don't need magic. They were within 4 points with 5 minutes to go in the Boston game.

    That's when two things happened:

    1) Kobe went " the triangle" mode and decided 1 on 3 was more appropriate. He took bad shots

    2) Bynum/Gasol didn't run their little fannies down the floor once Boston obtained the defensive rebound and pushed the ball, leading to an easy Boston bucket or two.

    Solution: Tell Kobe to start running some god damned team-centric offense where the open man with the best look takes the shot, period. Kobe's teammates are at fault here because they didn't even bother to ask for any real offense to be run down the stretch. They merely assumed that Kobe was capable of 1 on 3 the rest of the way because he had a good shooting night. How ing arrogant. Run some god damned offense. It really is that simple.

    Tell everyone on the Lakers team (Bynum/Gasol, particularly) to run their asses down the floor once Boston secures a defensive rebound. Transition defense.

    Just watch the last handful of possessions of the game. How many Lakers fans have watched this?



    The problem is execution and poor transition defense, and everybody is to blame, including Kobe. The Lakers kept the game compe ive with arguably the best team in basketball (Boston Celtics) up until 5 minutes left in the game. You don't need a trade. You need Phil to grow some balls and actually coach Kobe, for once, instead of letting him try to figure it out on his own.

    This "Kobe-can-do-no-wrong" mentality of Lakers fans is just laughable. He made mistakes down the stretch. His teammates are to blame as well for not realizing it. You don't need a trade, you need to play team ball when the game is close.

    Watch every Laker player not named Kobe on those last handful of possessions. They clearly don't feel like they are part of the offense, perhaps because they assume Kobe is going to do his own thing anyway. Everybody is to blame. Figure it out, it's really not that difficult.
    Who thinks Kobe is not partly to blame? Or Phil? BUT I would not of run offense for Pau if he is gonna throw up soft fade away shots over smaller players ...

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    Lakers don't have anything anyone wants really. No enticing draft picks, no real talent they can afford to let go & no enticing expiring contract.

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    The above post is brilliant and spot on - Kobe is part of the issue and it would take balls (and I believe he has a no trade clause) but would it not be funny as if the Lakers swapped Kobe for Paul?

    IMO Lakers become just as dangerous with Paul or Williams as Kobe as the assists from a top tier PG to their talented bigs would be sick! Moreover, we would get to see if Kobe could really lift a team to a le without a top 5-10 player on his side that year.

    Seriously, though trading Bynum away would be stupid as he is their only starter under 30, still has immense potential, unless the medical staff has more worries about him then they let on.


    My guess is that the Lakers are going to try to somehow get Nash - one other PG that would be a bargain but dangerous in the LAL system and even easier to get probably would be Devin Harris - he used to give the Spurs fits and is still in his prime.

  23. #73
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    Lakers don't have anything anyone wants really. No enticing draft picks, no real talent they can afford to let go & no enticing expiring contract.
    How the can we have an enticing draft pick, Deep, it'd be high 20s.

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    Who thinks Kobe is not partly to blame? Or Phil? BUT I would not of run offense for Pau if he is gonna throw up soft fade away shots over smaller players ...
    You don't necessarily run offense "for" any particular player. You run offense involving your best two players, get opposing team bodies moving around on the court, read the defense appropriately and take the appropriate shot (or pass, appropriately, to the open man).

    I didn't see any of that on those possessions. Everybody cleared out for Kobe and Kobe went virtually 1 on 3 (sometimes 1 on 1). These are not good shots for Kobe. They aren't high percentage shots. We already know that. People who have bothered to keep track of Kobe's success/failures going 1 on 1 with the game on the line in 4th quarters are well aware that they simply aren't high percentage shots.

    I'd like to think that a high P&R/S&R with Kobe-Pau might at least have given the Lakers (perhaps Kobe) a better look at the basket. Pau's not as worthless as most Lakers fans make him out to be. He's still considered a threat around the basket, believe it or not, and he's not nearly as inefficient as Lakers fans make him out to be. He doesn't even get the opportunity to potentially put his hands on the ends of games because Kobe wants to go 1 on 1. Who's fault is that? It's both Pau's and Kobe's faults, in my opinion.

    I mean, if Phil/Kobe think Kobe going 1 on 1 is best for the team, then more power to Lakers' opponents. Lakers will continue losing in the last few minutes of close games because Kobe goes 1 on 1, and fans will continue to wonder why even when the answer is clear. Casual fans will look at "16-31" in the box score and assume Kobe couldn't have contributed at all to the loss.

    Kobe played absolutely spectacularly for the first 43 minutes of the game. He is partly to blame for the Lakers loss for his play during the last 5 minutes. That's just how it is.

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    Oh and as for your question "Who thinks Kobe is not partly to blame?" 95% of Lakers fans on this site and elsewhere, I'd presume.

    That Boston game was supposedly one game where Kobe didn't do anything wrong, and it's supposedly asinine to place any sort of blame on him for the loss. They'll happily cite his terrific overall efficiency from the field and place the blame squarely on his teammates for supposedly "not wanting the ball."

    How does Phil know that Kobe's teammates physically did not want the ball? Did they say that to him, or is he merely assuming? Or, is he playing his mindgames again and trying to subtly coach Kobe through postgame comments?

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