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  1. #76
    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    There wil be other doctors if this guy wimps out.
    Yes there will. Government paid, government educated doctors.

    Like I said, if you devalue medical care you'll get less valuable medical care.

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    I don't they're concerned with your sympathy.

    Here's something for you to consider. I know a surgeon that not only hes 10% of his income to religious-based medical charities and his church; he also travels twice a year, for a month, with Doctors Without Borders, to provide free surgery that is restoring people to independent lives.

    As his income is reduced, so is his ability to be charitable.
    Who requires that surgeons be charitable?

    God forbid he may actually have to work 11 months out of the year instead of 10.

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    Who requires that surgeons be charitable?

    God forbid he may actually have to work 12 months instead of 11.
    No one. And, I would argue he is working that 12th month...for no pay. There are many that are thanking God for his charity.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Yes there will. Government paid, government educated doctors.

    Like I said, if you devalue medical care you'll get less valuable medical care.
    Since when has the govt trained doctors?

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    Since when has the govt trained doctors?
    There will be when you can only get people to go to med school by paying for their education with a government grant.

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    No one. And, I would argue he is working that 12th month...for no pay. There are many that are thanking God for his charity.
    so your friend is ing about having to take a pay cut for doing surgery here in the states which will keep him from performing free surgery in other countries?

    your friend for pulling that ty card.

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    so your friend is ing about having to take a pay cut for doing surgery here in the states which will keep him from performing free surgery in other countries?
    Yoni's doctor friend is Josef Mengele

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    Yes there will. Government paid, government educated doctors.

    Like I said, if you devalue medical care you'll get less valuable medical care.
    and more lives can be saved.

    You think it's okay for a college student to go about without insurance? Do you think it's okay for the working class to go on with their jobs, that on average, demand higher manual labor without the comfort of knowing their sickness and injuries can be helped without thousands of dollars owed in the end?

    These are the people suffering. They're the ones that have to pay full price for their medication and treatment.... it doesn't make sense. The poor stay poor.

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    and more lives can be saved.

    You think it's okay for a college student to go about without insurance? Do you think it's okay for the working class to go on with their jobs, that on average, demand higher manual labor without the comfort of knowing their sickness and injuries can be helped without thousands of dollars owed in the end?

    These are the people suffering. They're the ones that have to pay full price for their medication and treatment.... it doesn't make sense. The poor stay poor.
    This is all well and good. But you don't fix the underlying, structural defects in healthcare in this country by shoveling money into the maws of insurance companies.

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    and more lives can be saved.

    You think it's okay for a college student to go about without insurance?
    Yes. If they don't want insurance, they shouldn't be forced to have insurance. That has nothing to do with medical care.

    Do you think it's okay for the working class to go on with their jobs, that on average, demand higher manual labor without the comfort of knowing their sickness and injuries can be helped without thousands of dollars owed in the end?
    Quality medical care costs money. I'm glad you didn't roll out the canard that they couldn't get medical care but, that they would actually owe money for it.

    These are the people suffering. They're the ones that have to pay full price for their medication and treatment.... it doesn't make sense. The poor stay poor.
    Most poor people don't pay a dime for medical care.

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    forcing someone to get affordable insurance vs. ignoring someone who wants affordable insurance

    which one is the lesser evil?

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    forcing someone to get affordable insurance vs. ignoring someone who wants affordable insurance

    which one is the lesser evil?
    You do, of course, realize that insurance isn't actual medical care, right?

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    forcing someone to get affordable insurance vs. ignoring someone who wants affordable insurance

    which one is the lesser evil?
    Newsflash. My insurance aint exactly affordable anymore. Careful how you toss that term around.

    Which is the point I was trying to make. We didn't do a ing thing to address healthcare costs. We practically guaranteed it would become more expensive by reinforcing the Health Insurance as HMO model that forces insurance into a role it was never intended to be.

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    You do, of course, realize that insurance isn't actual medical care, right?
    It's being used that way, Yoni. That's the gist of the problem.

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    It's being used that way, Yoni. That's the gist of the problem.
    People without insurance get quality medical care all the time.

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    People without insurance get quality medical care all the time.
    what about life saving treatment?

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    People without insurance get quality medical care all the time.
    You're serious, right?

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    You're serious, right?
    Are you suggesting the care offered at indigent care hospitals and clinics (mostly government owned and operated), isn't quality?

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    what about life saving treatment?
    What about it?

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    Are you suggesting the care offered at indigent care hospitals and clinics (mostly government owned and operated), isn't quality?
    Let's define quality shall we?

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    Are you suggesting the care offered at indigent care hospitals and clinics (mostly government owned and operated), isn't quality?
    Access to quality care prevents a lot of ER visits and hospital stays.

    That is no reflection on the quality of the ERs and indigent care hospitals.

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    Access to quality care prevents a lot of ER visits and hospital stays.

    That is no reflection on the quality of the ERs and indigent care hospitals.
    That's what the free clinics are for...I did mention them, didn't I?

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    Let's define quality shall we?
    Sure, go ahead; define it.

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    Sure, go ahead; define it.
    No. You're lugging it around. You tell me what you think it means in this context.

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    That's what the free clinics are for...I did mention them, didn't I?
    Ever been to one?

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