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I think we're getting to it if you'll just keep playing along.
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What's the problem with them?
I think we're getting to it if you'll just keep playing along.
No. I don't think we are. I'm pretty sure you're unable or unwilling to commit to a definition. It's safer to hide behind the coward's skirts of innuendo and implications.
So, you seem to indicate there's a problem with indigent care. What is it?
Don't worry. You've got lots of company in that regard...including most of our enlightened congress people.
We need to have a common vocabulary to discuss it. I'm still trying to ascertain whether or not we do. Failing to elucidate what you consider quality healthcare is telling tho.
Last edited by TeyshaBlue; 02-02-2011 at 05:06 PM.
You seem to be skirting away from the issue of what you believe is wrong with free clinics and indigent care, as it currently exists.
You asked me if I've ever been to a free clinic. Why? [By the way, I have -- hundreds of times].
And, I'm getting to the quality issue but, I would really like to hear why you thought it was important to know whether or not I'd been to a free clinic.
I believe they are inadequate to the task. They are chronically understaffed. They are chronically overloaded. A 4 hour wait is not practical for someone with a $10/hr job. Ergo, time lost becomes an important factor in whether or not to use "free" services. BTW, none of these clinics are "Free". Most require a modest payment.
Now, would you kindly stop dodging my question?
My ex worked in one for 7 years. I was not totally impressed with her experience. Neither was she.
What was the level of government involvement in the clinic? What percentage of the clinics revenues were provided by the government?
It was a county clinic. It receives local, state and federal funds. It's also one of the better ones in the nation.
It's still a problem.
How about you stop asking questions and start answering mine, ok?
The Los Angeles Free Clinic is 40% government funded and it is considered one of the best in the country.
St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital (to which I donate) is 0% government funded and turns no one away. They are leading the country in Pediatric Cancer Research.
Every Shriner's Childrens Hospital is completely funded by Clowns and they turn no one away. They are also innovators in burn treatment and childhood bone ailments.
And, I'm sure there are similar medical facilities for adults; I'm just not aware of them.
My point being, it seems the quality of care received at free clinics and hospitals is directly related to the level of government involvement. The more the government is involved, the more problems you have. I agree, the free clinic atmosphere is abysmal. But, turning our entire health care system into one big free clinic isn't the answer.
What liberals want is for everyone to receive Steve Jobs medical care. It's not possible. But, what is possible, is for government to get out of the way and let the medical community put together a system that serves everyone.
Yes, that's all well and good. Of course, you make no mention of what it takes to get into one of these facilities and the time, often considerable, it takes to even be considered.
I have experience with Shriners. I know the one in Dallas took a nice chunk from T Boone Pickens. But that's neither here nor there.
Define quality in the context of healthcare Yoni, since you've yet to do that.
I think I have. The quality of health care, I believe, is directly related to the level of government involvement in that health care. Introducing government regulations, inefficiencies, fraud, and abuse into a system that has a direct impact on the health and well-being of my family, is something I oppose.
If you want to go to a government clinic. Fine. Don't make the entire health care system one big ing government free clinic. I don't want it. Except for those in the military -- which are generally private doctors who enlist or are called to active duty as part of a reserve unit -- government medical care sucks.
Just look at the free clinic where your ex worked. It sucked.
No thanks.
Strawman alert!!!!!!!!
I know for a fact all the Shriners require is a clown sponsor. I've referred 10 ten children to a clown in my neighborhood. Every one of them received the care they needed.
Not one was ever charged a dime.
And, in the literature I receive from St. Jude's, testimonial after testimonial suggest the parents drove from various parts of the country, walked through the door at St. Jude's and received care. No one mentions a means test, a examination to determine priority, or being turned away.
No, it is here and there. How much more could T Boone Pickens do if he weren't forced to support a government health care scheme? How much more could all of us do, if so much of our treasure wasn't flushed down the toilet of government inefficiency, waste, fraud, and abuse?
Thank God for the T Boones and Yonivores of the world who, in spite of a confiscatory tax structure that demonizes and penalizes the producers of this country, still have a heart to contribute to quality health care.
Was that the phrase of the week on Sesame Street or something?
I figured it was something like that.
Is he black?
lol it's not our problem you don't know what it means.
No, usually there is a straw man argument that is being called out.
And it's not my problem people like you are afraid to answer my questions. That's an answer in itself.
Ok. So you can't define what cons utes quality healthcare. Nice try at the cowardly dodge. Those skirts fit you well.
What, you can't look up the term "quality" in the dictionary? I'm not sure what you're asking anymore.
Do you want the definition of good quality or bad quality?
I've already stated I believe the quality of health care improves as the level of government involvement, in it, decreases.
Lol. When you make baseless, asinine statements about the quality of healthcare, its fairly germane to ask what you define as quality. I see now that you don't have even the foggiest notion of what is or is not an element of quality as regards heathcare. Good to finally get that of the way.
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