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    ...hit the nail on the ing head. And, of all places to find it, the Huffington Post.

    Israel's Never Looked So Good

    They warned us. The geniuses at Peace Now warned us. The brilliant diplomats warned us. The think tanks warned us. Even the Arab dictators warned us. For decades now, they have been warning us that if you want "peace in the Middle East," just fix the Palestinian problem. A recent variation on this theme has been: Just get the Jews to stop building apartments in East Jerusalem and Efrat. Yes, if all those Jews in the West Bank and East Jerusalem would only "freeze" their construction, then, finally, Palestinian leaders might come to the table and peace might break out.

    And what would happen if peace would break out between Jews and Palestinians? Would all those furious Arabs now demonstrating on streets across the Middle East feel any better?

    What bloody nonsense.

    Has there ever been a greater abuse of the English language in international diplomacy than calling the Israeli-Palestinian conflict the "Middle East peace process?" As if there were only two countries in the Middle East.

    Even if you absolutely believe in the imperative of creating a Palestinian state, you can't tell me that the single-minded and global obsession with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict at the expense of the enormous ills in the rest of the Middle East hasn't been idiotic, if not criminally negligent.

    While tens of millions of Arabs have been suffering for decades from brutal oppression, while gays have been tortured and writers jailed and women humiliated and dissidents killed, the world -- yes, the world -- has obsessed with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    As if Palestinians -- the same coddled victims on whom the world has spent billions and who have rejected one peace offer after another -- were the only victims in the Middle East.

    As if the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has anything to do with the 1,000-year-old bloody conflict between Sunni and Shiite Muslims, or the desire of brutal Arab dictators to stay in power, or the desire of Islamist radicals to bring back the Caliphate, or the economic despair of millions, or simply the absence of free speech or basic human rights throughout the Arab world.

    While self-righteous Israel bashers have scrutinized every flaw in Israel's democracy -- some waxing hysterical that the Jewish democratic experiment in the world's nastiest neighborhood had turned into an embarrassment -- they kept their big mouths shut about the oppression of millions of Arabs throughout the Middle East.

    They cried foul if Israeli Arabs -- who have infinitely more rights and freedoms than any Arabs in the Middle East -- had their rights compromised in any way. But if a poet were jailed in Jordan or a gay man were tortured in Egypt or a woman were stoned in Syria, all we heard was screaming silence.

    Think of the ridiculous amount of media ink and diplomatic attention that has been poured onto the Israel-Palestinian conflict over the years, while much of the Arab world was suffering and smoldering, and tell me this is not criminal negligence. Do you ever recall seeing a UN resolution or an international conference in support of Middle Eastern Arabs not named Palestinians?

    Of course, now that the Arab volcano has finally erupted, all those chronic Israel bashers have suddenly discovered a new cause: Freedom for the poor oppressed Arabs of the Middle East!

    Imagine if, instead of putting Israel under their critical and hypocritical microscope, the world's Israel bashers had taken Israel's imperfect democratic experiment and said to the Arab world: Why don't you try to emulate the Jews?

    Why don't you give equal rights to your women and gays, just like Israel does?

    Why don't you give your people the same freedom of speech and freedom to vote that Israel does? And offer them the economic opportunities they would get in Israel? Why don't you treat your Jewish and Christian citizens the same way Israel treats its Arab and Christian citizens?

    Why don't you study how Israel has struggled to balance religion with democracy -- a very difficult but not insurmountable task?

    Why don't you teach your people that Jews are not the sons of dogs but a noble, ancient people with a 3,000-year connection to the land of Israel?

    Yes, imagine if Israel bashers had spent a fraction of their energy fighting the lies of Arab dictators and defending the rights of millions of oppressed Arabs. Imagine if President Obama had taken one percent of the time he has harped on Jewish settlements to defend the democratic rights of Egyptian Arabs -- which he is suddenly doing now that the volcano has erupted.

    Maybe it's just easier to beat up on a free and open society like Israel.

    Well, now that the cesspool of human oppression in the Arab world has been opened for all to see, how bad is Israel's democracy looking? Don't you wish the Arab world had a modi of Israel's civil society? Would you still be worrying about "stability in the Middle East?"

    You can preach to me all you want about the great Jewish tradition of self-criticism -- which I believe in -- but right now, when I see poor Arab souls being murdered for the simple act of protesting on the street, I've never felt more proud of being a supporter of the Jewish state.
    Kudos! Great piece.

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    And, now, for something completely different...

    Juan Cole, a history professor at the University of Michigan, produces a rant today in which he tries to blame Israel for Mubarek's conduct and virtually everything else that ever has gone wrong in the Middle East breaks new ground.

    Mubarak Defies a Humiliated America, Emulating Netanyahu

    It should be remembered that Egypt’s elite of multi-millionaires has benefited enormously from its set of corrupt bargains with the US and Israel and from the maintenance of a martial law regime that deflects labor demands and pesky human rights critiques. It is no wonder that to defend his billions and those of his cronies, Hosni Mubarak was perfectly willing to order thousands of his security thugs into the Tahrir Square to beat up and expel the demonstrators, leaving 7 dead and over 800 wounded, 200 of them just on Thursday morning.

    It might seem surprising that Mubarak was so willing to defy the Obama administration’s clear hint that he sould quickly transition out of power. In fact, Mubarak’s slap in the face of President Obama will not be punished and it is nothing new. It shows again American toothlessness and weakness in the Middle East, and will encourage the enemies of the US to treat it with similar disdain.

    The tail has long wagged the dog in American Middle East policy. The rotten order of the modern Middle East has been based on wily local elites stealing their way to billions while they took all the aid they could from the United States, even as they bit the hand that fed them. First the justification was the putative threat of International Communism (which however actually only managed to gather up for itself the dust of Hadramawt in South Yemen and the mangy goats milling around broken-down Afghan villages). More recently the cover story has been the supposed threat of radical Islam, which is a tiny fringe phenomenon in most of the Middle East that in some large part was sowed by US support for the extremists in the Cold War as a foil to the phantom of International Communism. And then there is the set of myths around Israel, that it is necessary for the well-being of the world’s Jews, that it is an asset to US security, that it is a great ethical enterprise– all of which are patently false.

    On such altars are the labor activists, youthful idealists, human rights workers, and democracy proponents in Egypt being sacrificed with the silver dagger of filthy lucre.

    Mubarak is taking his cues for impudence from the far rightwing government of Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, which began the Middle Eastern custom of humiliating President Barack Obama with impunity. Obama came into office pledging finally to move smartly to a two-state solution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Netanyahu government did not have the slightest intention of allowing a Palestinian state to come into existence. Israel was founded on the primal sin of expelling hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes in what is now Israel, and then conniving at keeping them stateless, helpless and weak ever after. Those who fled the machine guns of the Irgun terrorist group to the West Bank and Gaza, where they dwelt in squalid refugee camps, were dismayed to see the Israelis come after them in 1967 and occupy them and further dispossess them. This slow genocide against a people that had been recognized as a Class A Mandate by the League of Nations and scheduled once upon a time for independent statehood is among the worst ongoing crimes of one people against another in the world. Many governments are greedy to rule over people reluctant to be so ruled. But no other government but Israel keeps millions of people stateless while stealing their land and resources or maintaining them in a state of economic blockade and food insecurity.

    The policy of the United States has been for the most part to accommodate this Israeli policy and to collaborate in the maltreatment of the Palestinians. Those states and groups that refuse to acquiesce in this egregious policy of epochal injustice are targeted by the US Congress for sanctions and branded terrorists and aggressors. As a sop to all the hundreds of millions of critics of the serial rape of the Palestinians, the US at most occasionally makes noises about achieving a “state” for them, which, however, would have no real sovereignty over its borders, its land, its air or its water. The price of such a eunuch state would be for the Palestinians to renounce their birthright and acquiesce in their expropriation and reduction to the flotsam of the earth.

    And the Netanyahu government even disdained the tepid proposals of the Obama administration, for such an emasculated Palestinian “state”, which had to be willing to recognize Israel as a “Jewish” state, thus implicitly denaturalizing the 20% of the population that is Palestinian Christians and Muslims.

    Because Israel’s enterprise in denying Palestinian statehood is so unnatural and so, at its fundament, immoral, it can only be pursued by the exercise of main force and by the infusion of billions of dollars a year into a poverty-stricken region. The US has in one way or another transferred over $100 billion to Israel so as to ensure it can remain a tenuous fortress on the edge of the Mediterranean, serving some US interests while keeping the millions of Palestinians in thrall.

    US military aid to Israel allowed that country to prevail over Egypt in 1967 and 1973, and forced the Egyptian elite to seek an exit from ruinous wars. Anwar El Sadat decided ultimately to betray the hapless Palestinians and seek a separate peace. For removing all pressure on Israel by the biggest Arab nation with the best Arab military, Egypt has been rewarded with roughly $2 billion in US aid every year, not to mention favorable terms for importation of sophisticated weaponry and other perquisites. This move allowed the Israelis to invade and occupy part of Lebanon in 1982-2000, and then to launch massively destructive wars on virtually defenseless Lebanese and Gaza Palestinians more recently. Cairo under Mubarak is as opposed to Shiite Hizbullah in Lebanon and fundamentalist Hamas in Gaza as is Tel Aviv. The regime of Hosni Mubarak appears to have taken some sort of bribe to send substantial natural gas supplies to Israel at a deep discount. It has joined in the blockade against the civilians of Gaza. It acts as Israel’s handmaid in oppressing the Palestinians, and is bribed to do so by the US.

    The US-backed military dictatorship in Egypt has become, amusingly enough, a Bonapartist state. It exercises power on behalf of both a state elite and a new wealthy business class, some members of which gained their wealth from government connections and corruption. The Egypt of the Separate Peace, the Egypt of tourism and joint military exercises with the United States, is also an Egypt ruled by the few for the benefit of the few.

    The whole system is rotten, deeply dependent on exploiting the little people, on taking bribes from the sole superpower to pursue self-defeating or greedy policies virtually no one wants or would vote for in the region.

    So the Palestinians objected to Obama’s plan to start back up direct negotiations with the Israelis in 2009, on the grounds that the Israelis were rapidly colonizing the Palestinian West Bank and were taking off the table the very territory over which negotiations were supposedly being conducted. Even the corrupt and timid Mahmoud Abbas, whose term as president has actually ended but who stayed on in the absence of new elections, demanded an end to new Israeli colonies in Palestinian territory (including lands unilaterally annexed to the Israeli district of Jerusalem in contravention of international law).

    The Obama administration thought it had an agreement from Netanyahu to freeze settlements, and sent Joe Biden out to inaugurate the new peace promise. But when Biden came to Israel, he was humiliated by an Israeli announcement that it would build a new colony outside Jerusalem on land that Palestinians claimed. Then when the ‘settlement freeze’ in the West Bank proper came to an end during negotiations, Netanyahu announced that it would not be extended.

    In other words, Netanyahu has since early 2009 taken billions in American money but told the US government to jump in a lake. The Obama administration did nothing, nothing whatsoever to punish this outrageous behavior.

    So it can come as no surprise that Obama, Biden and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have been humiliated by Hosni Mubarak of Egypt. They told him to transition out of power. Instead, he on Wednesday and Thursday initiated the Massacre of Liberation Square, which has wounded nearly 1,000 people, most of them peaceful protesters.

    Just as Netanyahu takes Washington’s billions but then pisses all over American policy objectives with regard to erecting a Palestinian State Lite, so Mubarak has stuffed tens of billions of dollars from Washington into his government’s pockets but has humiliated and endangered the United States.

    When Netanyahu steals Palestinian property or deprives Gaza Palestinians of their livelihoods, and when Mubarak uses American military aid to crush a popular demonstration, they underline to the peoples of the Middle East that their corrupt and unacceptable situation is underwritten by Washington. That message generates fury at the United States.

    As long as the president and the Congress are willing to lie down and serve as doormats for America’s supposed allies in the Middle East– out of a conviction of the usefulness of their clients and the inexpensiveness of putting them on retainer– there will be anti-Americanism and security threats that force us to subject ourselves to humiliating patdowns and scans at the airport and an erosion of our civil liberties every day. We are only one step away of being treated, with “protest zones” and “Patriot Acts” just as badly as the peaceful Egyptian protesters have been.
    I know it was long and I wasn't going to post the entire piece but, I figured, to be fair -- since I posted the entire Suissa piece, I should post this one.

    Legal Insurrection comments:

    Did the UN par ion of British Palestine into Jewish and Arab states -- and the rejection of such par ion by the Arabs -- never happen? Did the invasion of the newly independent Israel never happen? Did an almost equal number of Jews not flee Arab lands as Arabs fled Jewish lands? Did the closing of the Straits of Tiran by Egypt provoking the 1967 war never happen, or the subsequent Yom Kippur invasion. Did 60+ years of Palestinian rejectionism never happen?

    "Slow genocide"? How is it we keep hearing that high birth rates among non-Jews in Israel and the West Bank cons utes a demographic threat to a Jewish Israel?

    This is not just revisionist history, it is a fabrication in the goal of the destruction of Israel. And it is typical for what passes for academia nowadays, part of what I call the Islamist-Leftist Anti-Israel Coalition.

    And to use the upheaval in Egypt -- which has nothing to do with Israel -- as an opportunity to spew this venom speaks volumes to how deep the hostility runs.

    I'm glad it's now been brought to the surface.

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    But yoni, you're on record as wanting to keep the brutal Egyptian dictator in power and criticized Obama for not rushing to his aid.

    Don't you remember?

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    I have LoL everytime I saw on the news that dude riding through the crowd on a camel trying to whip protestors in Egypt. Good stuff!

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    1:35 mark. Hilarious!!!!


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    I thought Israel and the US backed the oppressive dictator and are now scrambling to find out who are these 'freedom fighters' and the new coalition...

    I can't quite parse through your hypocrisy Yoni... Are we supposed to be happy that the Arabs are fighting for their freedom, regardless of the consequences that might bring or not?

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    Israel was a poor choice of ally for the US, since it pissed off Bin Laden.

    Not worth it. the middle east. USA needs to develop the alternative to fossil fuel so it's government can stop ing around out there.

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    Israel was a poor choice of ally for the US, since it pissed off Bin Laden.
    We don't pick our friends based on who likes them.


    Not worth it. the middle east. USA needs to develop the alternative to fossil fuel so it's government can stop ing around out there.
    We get most of our oil from Canada and Mexico.

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    No one here appears interested in someone making money on alternative fuel. Apparently its better to send it to the middle east.


    A lot of Canada's oil import/export are skewed numbers. Canada sends there stuff from the west down here and imports a lot of their fuel in the east bc of transportation costs.

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    Israel was a poor choice of ally for the US, since it pissed off Bin Laden.

    Not worth it. the middle east. USA needs to develop the alternative to fossil fuel so it's government can stop ing around out there.
    Israel has been our ally before Bin Laden was born. Your suggestion that we scamper and change allies because of some extremist just shows how much a pussy you are.

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    What does Israel do for us again?

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    Israel has been our ally before Bin Laden was born. Your suggestion that we scamper and change allies because of some extremist just shows how much a pussy you are.
    Once upon a time Iraq was our ally too... I guess we're a bunch of pussies...

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    Once upon a time Iraq was our ally too... I guess we're a bunch of pussies...
    Up, before Carter helped the new regime take over.

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    What does Israel do for us again?
    I didn't know a friend had to do anything, but be a friend. Do you and your friends out to each other?

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    Up, before Carter helped the new regime take over.
    Quite a time after that, too -- but it's no surprise you have no idea what you are talking about.

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    I didn't know a friend had to do anything, but be a friend. Do you and your friends out to each other?
    Wild Cobra gives his money to his friends that defy him and spy on him, no strings attached.

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    I didn't know a friend had to do anything, but be a friend. Do you and your friends out to each other?

    So you think that the US just gives them money so they can chill at the clubs together?




    Two countries just flat out like each others companionship?


    Must be job security for you I guess.
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    Up, before Carter helped the new regime take over.


    Think Saddam would have won the war with Iran without Reagan's support?



    Your knee-jerk "blame a Democrat, ignore Republican responsibility" schtick looks lamer and lamer the more you use it.

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    It's called selective memory... some things are better left forgotten...

    It's also known as hypocrisy...

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    Your knee-jerk "blame a Democrat, ignore Republican responsibility" schtick looks lamer and lamer the more you use it.

    Dem/Repub division is re ed.


    Most conservatives that I know aren't interested in giving aid to Israel or any country for that matter.

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    Think Saddam would have won the war with Iran without Reagan's support?



    Your knee-jerk "blame a Democrat, ignore Republican responsibility" schtick looks lamer and lamer the more you use it.
    says the guy that ALWAYS SIDES WITH THE LEFT.

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    Think Saddam would have won the war with Iran without Reagan's support?



    Your knee-jerk "blame a Democrat, ignore Republican responsibility" schtick looks lamer and lamer the more you use it.
    Both Iraq and Iran changed from stable governments to chaotic ones that warred with each other afterward. They both changed hands under Carter's watch. He was too nice, and believed ousting the powers at the time would help the people. We got worse than they had before.

    I lived that period of history. Did you?

    Should we have taken sides? Probably not. Hindsight is 20/20.

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    Israel has been our ally before Bin Laden was born. Your suggestion that we scamper and change allies because of some extremist just shows how much a pussy you are.
    I hope you are reincarnated as the family member of a trade center victim, you ing ignorant pile of .

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    Both Iraq and Iran changed from stable governments to chaotic ones that warred with each other afterward. They both changed hands under Carter's watch. He was too nice, and believed ousting the powers at the time would help the people. We got worse than they had before.

    I lived that period of history. Did you?
    Yeah, I lived through that. Were you this much of an idiot back then?

    Why do you think the US was in a position to invade both these countries to install or prop up whatever dictator you preferred?

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