Now that it's official, the Cavaliers are worst team in NBA History

[Kyle Orton]

I was saying this in 2007 when the Spurs swept the Cavs.

Michael Jordan couldn't win a le with Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison as his 2nd and 3rd best players. To say nothing of when LeBron had Larry Hughes as a starter.

That maybe so daddy-o, but, Michael Jordan wouldn't have stood in the corner during a pivotal game 5 to watch his teammates up. He woulda gone off for 30+ and tried to rally a comeback.

tee, hee

[Cry Havoc]

That maybe so daddy-o, but, Michael Jordan wouldn't have stood in the corner during a pivotal game 5 to watch his teammates up. He woulda gone off for 30+ and tried to rally a comeback.

tee, hee

Wow, so Jordan > LeBron.

Stunning. No one knew that before you said it. Thanks for cluing us in that the GOAT is better than LeBron.

Kobe quit, too. Garnett went running to Boston. Shaq bolted to Miami. If you're using that as a metric, the only teams with legit superstars and les who never give up over the past 10 years are the Spurs and Pistons.

FWIW, I love it when people say LeBron quit, because if they use that as a metric to judge where his place in the All-Time greats are, they have to take Kobe off of the pedestal too, because he did the same thing. The only difference is that LeBron never publicly threw a teammate under the bus, even though he was saddled with far worse than Kobe has been.

[Kyle Orton]

Wow, so Jordan > LeBron.

Stunning. No one knew that before you said it. Thanks for cluing us in that the GOAT is better than LeBron.

Kobe quit, too. Garnett went running to Boston. Shaq bolted to Miami. If you're using that as a metric, the only teams with legit superstars and les who never give up over the past 10 years are the Spurs and Pistons.

Garnett never quit on Minnesota and was traded after it 10+ years of coming up short. Shaq was traded to Miami (not sure how that means "bolted"). And yes Kobe is a quitter just like Lebron. Neither one is any better than the other. However, Kobe didn't quit when his team was a 60+ win 1 seed that was still alive in a series. Lebron is the exclusive member of that club.

[Cry Havoc]

However, Kobe didn't quit when his team was a 60+ win 1 seed that was still alive in a series. Lebron is the exclusive member of that club.

A team that without him has now lost 24 in a row. But I guess it's LeBron's fault for getting them to 60+ wins nearly entirely by himself and then being frustrated when his #2 guy wouldn't start for some of the worst teams in the league, and would get spot minutes from the bench (if that) on some of the better teams.

[Cry Havoc]

Garnett never quit on Minnesota and was traded after it 10+ years of coming up short.

I guess becoming completely invisible in the crunch time of playoff games doesn't count as quitting?

[Kyle Orton]

Tbh why do San Antonio fans become die hard fans of teams/players they beat in the finals? After 2005, the Pistons get their own forum on this site because they're such a classy (), team first (), defensive () team. After Lebron gets swept by the Spurs in 2007, Spurs fans fall in love with him because he got swept in such a classy way () and the way he quit on Cleveland last May was the classiest () possible way to quit. Great in classy losers

[Kyle Orton]

I guess becoming completely invisible in the crunch time of playoff games doesn't count as quitting?

Garnett has always been like that. On Boston it's the same way. He's naturally a mentally weak player, just like Karl Malone or Chris Webber. None of the 3 are quitters, just pussies.

[Kyle Orton]

A team that without him has now lost 24 in a row. But I guess it's LeBron's fault for getting them to 60+ wins nearly entirely by himself and then being frustrated when his #2 guy wouldn't start for some of the worst teams in the league, and would get spot minutes from the bench (if that) on some of the better teams.

Yes, it's Lebron's fault he decided to quit. Having a crappy supporting cast doesn't give you an excuse for quitting.

[Cry Havoc]

Tbh why do San Antonio fans become die hard fans of teams/players they beat in the finals? After 2005, the Pistons get their own forum on this site because they're such a classy (), team first (), defensive () team. After Lebron gets swept by the Spurs in 2007, Spurs fans fall in love with him because he got swept in such a classy way () and the way he quit on Cleveland last May was the classiest () possible way to quit. Great in classy losers

The 05 Pistons was a great series between two former champions and it went 7 games. You don't think teams and fans have a sense of respect for each other after that, especially when it was two teams who were so focused on defense? Dunno what the crying is about, hard to be sad when you're watching your team hoist the LOB, but I guess if that's what you need to insert into the post to make it seem more cutting, go for it.

[Kyle Orton]

great in classy losers Pistons=class

[cheguevara]

that team was built around Lebron like not many teams are built around a superstar. I would say the Orlando Magic would be an attrocious team if Dwight left them. They would definitely be alottery team.

I would say this record by cavs is not really a surprise to anyone. And Lebronze still has his limitations.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Tbh why do San Antonio fans become die hard fans of teams/players they beat in the finals? After 2005, the Pistons get their own forum on this site because they're such a classy (), team first (), defensive () team. After Lebron gets swept by the Spurs in 2007, Spurs fans fall in love with him because he got swept in such a classy way () and the way he quit on Cleveland last May was the classiest () possible way to quit. Great in classy losers

It was because there are a whole lot of very good posters who are Pistons fans, not because of the Pistons team or players.

There used to be a Kings section as well, how does that fit in your ' teams/players they beat in the finals' logic?

[Kyle Orton]

It was because there are a whole lot of very good posters who are Pistons fans, not because of the Pistons team or players.

There used to be a Kings section as well, how does that fit in your ' teams/players they beat in the finals' logic?

lol a whole lot of very good Pistons fan posters. Pistonfan makes a lot of the same "Kobe > Jordan" re ed arguments Lakerfan makes.

And the Kings got their section after losing to the Spurs in 2006, so thanks for pointing that out. It only helps my argument.

[JoeTait75]

Few things:

- LeBron did not have a very good supporting cast in Cleveland.

- That doesn't mean he didn't tank the Boston series- because he did. At best he quit, at worst he intentionally threw the series. It's right there on tape. And save your breath about the Game 6 triple-double. LeBron can play like absolute horse and still rack up big numbers- that's how gifted he is.

- There is no vindication for LeBron in Cleveland's struggles. Cleveland could lose a hundred games in a row and it won't vindicate LeBron because a.) Cleveland losing doesn't put a ring on LeBron's finger and b.) The national backlash has nothing to do with LeBron leaving Cleveland and everything to do with the way he left.

- Had LeBron handled his exit with professionalism there would have been no backlash outside of Cleveland. The entire country was waiting for LeBron to bolt for two years anyway. It was quitting in the Boston series, the whole dog-and-pony show, the stupid TV special, that pissed people off.

- Cleveland fans would despise LeBron regardless of how he left. But any city's fanbase would react in the exact same way. Look at the way Seattle fans have treated Alex Rodriguez over the years. Or look at how Lake Show fans here talk about Shaq- and he brought them three les.

- Again, LeBron needs to win a ring. Cleveland could lose the rest of its games this season (and it might) and go 0-82 every season for the rest of LeBron's career and it won't matter to LeBron's legacy if he can't win a ring.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It only helps my argument.

So where are the Nuggets, Mavs, Jazz, etc. sections then?

Pistons fans, as a group, are the best in ST, well respected, least amount of trolls, good basketball knowledge and so on.

[Cry Havoc]

lol a whole lot of very good Pistons fan posters. Pistonfan makes a lot of the same "Kobe > Jordan" re ed arguments Lakerfan makes.

And the Kings got their section after losing to the Spurs in 2006, so thanks for pointing that out. It only helps my argument.

So where are the Nuggets, Mavs, Jazz, etc. sections then?

Pistons fans, as a group, are the best in ST, well respected, least amount of trolls, good basketball knowledge and so on.

Don't mind Orton, he's just a troll most of the time.

[Kyle Orton]

So where are the Nuggets, Mavs, Jazz, etc. sections then?

Idk, maybe they aren't classy enough losers to get their own section.

[cheguevara]

Idk, maybe they aren't classy enough losers to get their own section.

Bingo. Looks like two neurons finally connected inside that head of yours

[Cry Havoc]

Idk, maybe they aren't classy enough losers to get their own section.

It's odd that people can have such a low opinion of how SpursTalk operates yet they continue visiting/posting to the site.

[baseline bum]

Dude, I know TONS of people who said the Cavs were a lock for the post-season. Some even had them grabbing a 5-6 seed.



If Kobe had been stuck with LeBron's team for more than 2 years, he'd demand a trade out of LA.

If Kobe had been stuck with LeBron's supporting cast for more than 2 years, he wouldn't have even fought the rape charge.

[ALVAREZ6]

Tbh why do San Antonio fans become die hard fans of teams/players they beat in the finals? After 2005, the Pistons get their own forum on this site because they're such a classy (), team first (), defensive () team. After Lebron gets swept by the Spurs in 2007, Spurs fans fall in love with him because he got swept in such a classy way () and the way he quit on Cleveland last May was the classiest () possible way to quit. Great in classy losers

As Cry Havoc explained, it was a great series where fans gained respect for the opposing teams, and during the time there were many Pistons fans on the board, very active, bringing intelligent, non-troll discussion. This was also a time where there weren't a whole lot of Non-Spurs fans on the entire board, period. It was a wave of Detroit fans, and Kori rewarded them at the time.

5 years down the road, there's a lot of posters from many teams, but it's not nearly the same. Sure there's many laker usernames, but many are just 3 or 4 guys being trolls all day long. It's nothing to do.

Most Spurs fans don't love Lebron, that has nothing to do with anything. There are a handful of the thousands on this board that support Lebron, and that has nothing to do with their finals matchup. Really, I have to think about it every now and then when it comes to remembering who we swept in 07...because that series was just that unmemorable.

Why you cryin bro, you want your own forum? Want a cookie?

[ALVAREZ6]

If Kobe had been stuck with LeBron's supporting cast for more than 2 years, he wouldn't have even fought the rape charge.

There's no doubt Kobe would have left. Everything is ex-post facto...after the fact. It's easy for Kobe to sit here now and criticize Lebron, as he was lucky enough to always be surrounded by other stars during his championship runs. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have done the same thing Lebron did, without the decision ESPN crap.

It's really funny how people let the media influence their own views so greatly.

[FalleNxWiZarDx]