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I definitely don't think it makes the Lakers worse. You can argue it changes one unique advantage in place for another but when the other is more reliable its hard to argue it's "worse."
tbh Spurs should trade Matt Bonner for big daddy Tyson.
I definitely don't think it makes the Lakers worse. You can argue it changes one unique advantage in place for another but when the other is more reliable its hard to argue it's "worse."
I wasn't suggesting trading for him dimwit.
I used him as a reference for the type of player the Lakers would need.
Why are Spurs fans so dumb?
The way you wrote it, it could've been taken either way. I agree that a Perkins-type player on the Lakers would be good, but good luck getting that with an Artest/Walton combo. Which team has a defensive-minded player who's willing to take those two garbage contracts?
I think it goes without saying that the Lakers and Celtics, under the current cir stances would never trade with one another.
Sasha trade exception, Shannon Brown, future draft picks. All sorts of the combinations could be constructed. I pointed to Ron and Luke because the Lakers would have too many SF's, not that they'd be able to move them both.
The problem is that there are very few players who fit the bill of what the Lakers would need and even fewer that are even potentially available.
Ron and Luke aren't going to bring back anything the Lakers could use as a replacement, and you can't package a trade exception with a player. Only thing that L.A could trade would be Odom and a pick, but obviously that won't happen.
Perk ain't ...
I think it makes them worse. While they improve in overall talent, they negate their biggest advantage (height) somewhat. They also get weaker defensively on the perimeter and inside. They have enough offense as is with Kobe/pau/lo and their biggest weakness offensively (3 pt shooting) Melo does not address.
I still disagree that it would make them worse.
As it is Bynum only plays what? 1st 3rd quarters and little stretches here and there.
When the Lakers want to win a game down the stretch who do they play? Not Andrew Bynum. This is what negates what you seem to think is so valuable for the Lakers.
If Bynum was the guy finishing games I'd agree with you.... well that and if he could stay healthy consistently.
But right now, when you consider Odom and Gasol play ahead of him anyway, adding Carmelo who is an excellent 3p shooter and still very young / energetic etc, that would add a whole other dimension to the Lakers.
bynum is what keeps gasol out of foul trouble early in games. if gasol is manning the paint virtually all game, he is going to either give up a lot of easy buckets with his soft defense, or is going to get in foul trouble every game.
if the lakers had bynum against the celtics in 08, they probably win the championship.
This logic is sound for the most part, but Bynum eating up minutes at C limits the wear on Gasol and indirectly makes him better when he's closing games as the C. Regardless, I agree with you that this trade makes LA a better team, and in playoff games, what happens the first 40 minutes of the game often times doesn't matter
The only concerns are how Artest reacts to it and replacing Bynum's minutes with a serviceable big man (you don't need a three headed monster like Bynum/Gasol/Odom when you have Kobe and Melo). If Artest can be a serviceable guy off the bench and they have a way to get a C who can play 20 or so MPG, it's a GREAT trade. At the least it gives them a legit star to build around post-Kobe.
Bynum is .. All he does is get hurt.. The NY deal is waaay better and they will likely add more..it's better than what NY is offering...they're literally throwing at Denver...Wilson ing chandler, some other scrub and pick...
I'd take the Bynum deal...
I agree w the logic as well 2b which is why I said it only somewhat negates their size advantage. Only one of Odom or Bynum will be playing in the 4th quarter so not having the other is moot there. But as others and myself alluded to, it's the first 3 quarters this hurts.
Melo still doesn't address their spacing/3pt shooting though.
Cmon history, you've got Koolaid thinking that you can trade Artest/Walton for Nene/Melo. Lakerfans don't have a lot of cred.
Yeah, Ratliff will all over him.
He doesn't address it but he somewhat "helps" it. God knows he spaces the floor better than Artest
Also one thing to think about with Melo is that he can have the ball in his hands more and Kobe can play off ball. When Kobe is off ball, he's just as good a spot up shooter/spacer as anyone else.
I think if Odom were more reliable/dependable, it would negate the loss of Bynum. But you never know which Odom will show up.
True, he gets a 20/20 one game..lays an egg the next.
Well, this year Odom has played well and consistant. Could be argued that he is this years Lakers MVP.
I agree with you all that Bynum provides that obvious advantage for the Lakers frontline rotation, gives Gasol rest etc. But he's still unreliable. We're talking about him now, when he's healthy like that somehow stays constant like a normal human being.
As a Laker fan, I support Andrew, I like the things he does out there but he's too unreliable and I'd hate to see our team go into the post season for the 4th consecutive year with a severely injured / hobbled Bynum.
Obviously you don't trade your starting center for a small forward leaving you 5 SFs and 1 Center on your Roster without a gameplan to acquire a replacement.
Do you trust him enough to ship Bynum out?
"But, but, vetoing a trade is so unfair and has never been done before! you Stern!"
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