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  1. #51
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    Holy , this cobbler guy is funnier than cubby.

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    What's your take on how the Lakers acquired Pau Gasol?

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    Holy , this cobbler guy is funnier than cubby.
    awwwwww.... I see you have run out of argument. Funny how that happens when facts are tossed in the salad. And now... the personal attacks.

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    awwwwww.... I see you have run out of argument. Funny how that happens when facts are tossed in the salad. And now... the personal attacks.

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    What's your take on how the Lakers acquired Pau Gasol?
    My opinion has been noted on the board a long time. Trade had equal value. Worked out great for both teams. I have yet to see anything illegal or secret be shown. Alls good that ends good.

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    soooooo back to the original argument that you have sidestepped. Please tell me how a Bynum for Melo trade is collusion. Please? I just gotta hear this.

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    My opinion has been noted on the board a long time. Trade had equal value. Worked out great for both teams. I have yet to see anything illegal or secret be shown. Alls good that ends good.
    Really?

    The way in which Pau Gasol was acquired was not illegal, or secret. HOWEVER, if a basketball committee oversaw all trade transactions, then that trade would've stalled because it was unfair. Pau Gasol can't be compared to any of the scrubs not named Marc Gasol who were involved in the transaction. For god's sake, the Lakers traded KWAME BROWN!!!!

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    Yeah, I'd expect a response like this from a fan who follows one of the teams who blatantly colluded.

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    Really?

    The way in which Pau Gasol was acquired was not illegal, or secret. HOWEVER, if a basketball committee oversaw all trade transactions, then that trade would've stalled because it was unfair. Pau Gasol can't be compared to any of the scrubs not named Marc Gasol who were involved in the transaction. For god's sake, the Lakers traded KWAME BROWN!!!!
    Please tell me how it was illegal. All trades to some degree are secret. If you are impling that nobody knew Pau was available like so many do then again you are not looking at facts. He was long known to be available.

    Of course Pau cant be compared to the others in the deal. That's why it was a one player for multiple players deal. As for Kwame... do yourself a big favor and research the value of expiring contracts in the NBA today.

    Again, it worked out great for both teams involved. That the rest of the league doesnt like it is irrelevant.

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    soooooo back to the original argument that you have sidestepped. Please tell me how a Bynum for Melo trade is collusion. Please? I just gotta hear this.
    Melo > Bynum.
    Lakers just seem to grow desperate for talent even with the record they hold (which is not that bad). The NBA becomes less compe ive. It's unfair, you don't see a struggling team like the Timberwolves doing that type of thing, because well they can't. As much as I hate to say this, LA is a team that gets everything it wants, which is unfair, and illegal if their was a rule against it.

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    ty trade =/= secretive move made by Stern to reignite Lakers/C's rivalry

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    As much as I hate to say this, LA is a team that gets everything it wants, which is unfair, and illegal if their was a rule against it.
    Why should it be illegal?

    Good franchises attract good players. It doesn't just happen in the NBA, it happens in all sports.

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    Melo > Bynum.
    Lakers just seem to grow desperate for talent even with the record they hold (which is not that bad). The NBA becomes less compe ive. It's unfair, you don't see a struggling team like the Timberwolves doing that type of thing, because well they can't. As much as I hate to say this, LA is a team that gets everything it wants, which is unfair, and illegal if their was a rule against it.
    Melo > Bynum in what context? I personally dont want the trade. I think Bynum is actually better than Melo for the Lakers system and players as its cons uted today.

    LA does have many advantages. It's friggen LA! Hollywood! The spotlights! People like to play and live here. There are advantages for "stars" that they just dont get in small markets. It's also why we Laker fans pay the highest ticket prices. Sorry... but that's just life. The Spurs most certainly can try to move locals if they feel the need to do so.

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    The trade was defintiely su ious when the Grizzlies GM was Jerry West. But its history. I'm over it.

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    The trade was defintiely su ious when the Grizzlies GM was Jerry West. But its history. I'm over it.
    The fact that West left the positon the prior year notwithstanding...

    Their GM was Chris Wallace

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    The fact that West left the positon the prior year notwithstanding...

    Their GM was Chris Wallace
    But West was a consultant.

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    But West was a consultant.
    Not the GM as you stated. West has gone on record as saying he talked to Mitch and told him... Gasol can be had and you might want to look into it. Thats it! He was on the market for over a year with no movement. The Lakers inquired and history is history. Funny how nobody other than Chicago made an effort to obtain him and yet when the Lakers get him all breaks lose. One min nobody wants him... the next he's the best big man and Kobe is riding his coattails.

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    My opinion has been noted on the board a long time. Trade had equal value. Worked out great for both teams. I have yet to see anything illegal or secret be shown. Alls good that ends good.
    Oh yeah, the Grizz have been a powerhouse since.

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    1999 deserves an asterisk beside it because it wasn't a legit NBA season. The season was nearly cut in half and most teams were still dealing with injuries and developing and dealing with issues they wouldn't have been dealing with if it was a full season. The Spurs just so happen to be the hottest team at htat particular time. It would be just like MLB giving the Montreal Expos the World Series in 94 just because they were the hottest team at the time. Now of course the 99 le is recognized, but no one outside of San Antonio takes it serious or even remembers that season. The Spurs have 3 legit les to be proud of however so don't get all butthurt about the truth of the 99 season.
    Spurs played the same amount of games as any other team. Isn't it ALWAYS who's the hottest team at that time? Don't you deal with more injuries in a longer season? None of your arguments make any sense. Injuries aren't dealt with in a longer season? Players aren't signed or brought in mid-season that need to be developed? Every team played that season..the Spurs were by FAR the most dominant team that year, and in the playoffs. If you don't like San Antonio, that's fine. But to say that the le doesn't count because the season was shorter, it just makes you sound like an idiot. It's not like the Spurs played less games than anyone else, so they were healthier. Come on man..you're better than that.

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    An asterisk does absolutely nothing except to those who choose to allow it to let them feel butthurt. It doesn't take away the championship. So who cares? It's like when Spurs fans try to get Laker fans upset by saying the Celtics would have won if Perkins didn't get injured. So what? Perkins did get injured. The NBA doesn't take the trophy back and give it to the Celtics for last season. And they don't take away the 1999 le from the Spurs.

    Moreover, the 1999 championship may have been legitimately an asterisk if not for 2003. If the Spurs never won another le, then I think it would be more of a sore nerve for Spurs fan. But the core of the 1999 le team won again. And Duncan won two more times after that. The other championships, especially 2003, ultimately legitimized the 1999 le.

    But back to what I said first, even if the other les didn't legitimize 1999, who cares? The Spurs still won it. And no one can take it away.
    ^ truth

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    Methinks the Celtics' Allen and KG heist is a different story from the Lakers' daylight robbery of Memphis' Gasol. In the Celtics' case, Ray Allen was a unrestricted FA pick up while KG was going nowhere in Minnesota and was eagerly sought. Minny also got a decent deal with virtually every prospect and decent player from Boston traded to them.

    The Gasol trade was a major laugher on the other hand. Marc Gasol did turn out to be a good player later and he can be tagged to be nearly as good as Jefferson overall (defense+offense now). But Pau's trade was clearly a combination of an underhand deal and a stupid Memphis owner.

    All credit to Pau though for being able to fit in the triangle system so effectively without a hitch. And of course to Garnett for changing the styles of play of Allen and Pierce making them effectively defenders, buying into the team concept and so on.

    It is stupid to blame all this to a conspiracy.

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