LeBron James Gives No Credit to Rajon Rondo

[Muser]

LeBron is just the Celtics tbh.

[Cry Havoc]

Probably not even MJ or Magic ...Reason I used those two examples, MJ is considered the GOAT scorere and Magic the GOAT team player (by most but debateable in both cases) and I doubt that is a " le" team.

Truth.

My only critique of Lebron for the "DEcision" (besides how he did it) is that he would of won eventually.

For starters, he gave the Cavs 7 years. Jordan in his 7th year was already playing alongside a rapidly developing core with Pippen. Kobe after TWO years with a sub-par team started talking about being traded. Kobe wouldn't have tolerated that team for more than 3 seasons before demanding a second true All-Star or to be moved elsewhere.

And yes, The Decision was in extremely poor taste. He's also a very young man who's relatively immature. What baffles me is that people hate LeBron more for The Decision than people hate other athletes for felonies committed while in the league. Look no further than Ray Lewis or Marvin Harrison as guys who are revered as athletes but have much darker pasts. I don't get how "The Decision", something that was not only completely legal, but hyped to by ESPN, is a worse offense than killing/seriously injuring another person. LeBron is probably the most reviled player in the league right now for primarily one mistake he made.

And of course some people will argue and say that it's his arrogance, but he was arrogant in Cleveland, and if he would have stayed with the Cavs he would have been regarded as a hero.

Sure they needed more help ...Jamison was not that #2 he needed ...and Mo is suited for a #3 role. If he stayed in Cleveland I believe he could of got a #2 to sign. Maybe not Bosh or wade but I think Lebron is so good he doesnt NEED them. I think a team of say:
PG Mo Williams
SG Eric Gordon (best SG I think they could get that would fit well, Montae is a bad fit)
SF Lebron/Jamison
PF Verejao/Hickson
C Shaq/Z/Verejao

But why stay there? Is that team appreciably better than the Heat as-constructed, if both are fully healthy? I have doubts about Gordon's ability to be a true #2 in the playoffs, especially at his age. Varejao is going to be destroyed by the Celtics, or Lakers, even DeJuan Blair would completely annihilate him 4-5 games out of 7. Why stay with that group of players when you can go play with another top 5 player in the league and a post threat like Bosh?

I think Lebron, if he becomes as good as I think he can he would of and coulda won in Cleveland ...eventually.
Lakers, Celts and Spurs big 3 (or two) are aging ...

Perhaps. But you wait 7 years on a franchise, and the best they can do for you is Mo Williams and a 34 year old SF who's well past his prime?

Bulls, OKC are a couple seasons away ...

They're both roughly one acquisition away. Bulls need another wing and the Thunder are really close as constructed to contend... they were supposed to be in the WCF this year.

[Killakobe81]

Truth.



For starters, he gave the Cavs 7 years. Jordan in his 7th year was already playing alongside a rapidly developing core with Pippen. Kobe after TWO years with a sub-par team started talking about being traded. Kobe wouldn't have tolerated that team for more than 3 seasons before demanding a second true All-Star or to be moved elsewhere.

And yes, The Decision was in extremely poor taste. He's also a very young man who's relatively immature. What baffles me is that people hate LeBron more for The Decision than people hate other athletes for felonies committed while in the league. Look no further than Ray Lewis or Marvin Harrison as guys who are revered as athletes but have much darker pasts. I don't get how "The Decision", something that was not only completely legal, but hyped to by ESPN, is a worse offense than killing/seriously injuring another person. LeBron is probably the most reviled player in the league right now for primarily one mistake he made.

And of course some people will argue and say that it's his arrogance, but he was arrogant in Cleveland, and if he would have stayed with the Cavs he would have been regarded as a hero.



But why stay there? Is that team appreciably better than the Heat as-constructed, if both are fully healthy? I have doubts about Gordon's ability to be a true #2 in the playoffs, especially at his age. Varejao is going to be destroyed by the Celtics, or Lakers, even DeJuan Blair would completely annihilate him 4-5 games out of 7. Why stay with that group of players when you can go play with another top 5 player in the league and a post threat like Bosh?



Perhaps. But you wait 7 years on a franchise, and the best they can do for you is Mo Williams and a 34 year old SF who's well past his prime?



They're both roughly one acquisition away. Bulls need another wing and the Thunder are really close as constructed to contend... they were supposed to be in the WCF this year.

personally doesnt matter to me where he play (as long it's not Boston) he is not on my team ...

I agree Cavs FO messed up by overestimating the talent based on regular season performance ...the playoff struggles spoke volumes.

[bostonguy]

I have no issues with Bron leaving Cleveland. The Decision gave people a reason to hate him. He gave that franchise 7 years, and they put nothing but crap around him. I mean the best sidekick he ever had in the postseason was Daniel Gibson.

That being said, Bron will be winning les in Miami. It just won't be this year. This is the year they will grow from. Next year will be when their potential dynasty begins. They will land a better center and have a whole year together. I don't know what they will do about the coach though. If egos can be put aside and if Riley isn't wanting to coach and Phil is available, I could see Jackson at the helm. He loves coaching the best talent. It has been his specialty.

[Killakobe81]

I have no issues with Bron leaving Cleveland. The Decision gave people a reason to hate him. He gave that franchise 7 years, and they put nothing but crap around him. I mean the best sidekick he ever had in the postseason was Daniel Gibson.

That being said, Bron will be winning les in Miami. It just won't be this year. This is the year they will grow from. Next year will be when their potential dynasty begins. They will land a better center and have a whole year together. I don't know what they will do about the coach though. If egos can be put aside and if Riley isn't wanting to coach and Phil is available, I could see Jackson at the helm. He loves coaching the best talent. It has been his specialty.

Keep im mind he signed off on Jamison and teh Shaq deals yes the FO sucked but it's not like Lebron was out of the loop ...

[Cry Havoc]

Keep im mind he signed off on Jamison and teh Shaq deals yes the FO sucked but it's not like Lebron was out of the loop ...

LeBron's job isn't to be the front office. If you hand a 25 year old the keys to your franchise, don't blame him if he doesn't know WTF he's doing. As we've seen, even a mature, older, wiser Michael Jordan struggles mightily running a team, to say nothing of what you should expect from LeBron.

[TheMACHINE]

Keep im mind he signed off on Jamison and teh Shaq deals yes the FO sucked but it's not like Lebron was out of the loop ...

lol and mother in Jamison came in for free even when they were already in first place.

[Cry Havoc]

lol and mother in Jamison came in for free even when they were already in first place.

lol now suddenly regular season matters to Laker fans.

[Muser]

Riley and Phil hate eachother, no way that happens.

[j.dizzle]

I was expecting LeBronze & Wade to have great games yesterday tbh. Very weak games from both of them & bad body language. RuPaul was their best player for them & Pierce didnt even hit 1 shot. Ain't that something

[Cry Havoc]

I was expecting LeBronze & Wade to have great games yesterday tbh. Very weak games from both of them & bad body language. RuPaul was their best player for them & Pierce didnt even hit 1 shot. Ain't that something

A Lakers fan talking about poor body language in the regular season.

Have you watched YOUR team this year? Like, at all?

[Ace]

Credit for what? Its not like he did even a decent job guarding him.

[Kyle Orton]

Cry Havoc, gettin' his San Antonio Heat on.

[j.dizzle]

A Lakers fan talking about poor body language in the regular season.

Have you watched YOUR team this year? Like, at all?

Terrible comment tbh. Its a little different when you just went back-2-back. Lakers have nothing to prove unlike the Heat. Boston is just a bad matchup for them.

[bostonguy]

Riley and Phil hate eachother, no way that happens.

That is exactly why I don't see it happening. If egos were put aside, possibly. That isn't likely.

[TheMACHINE]

lol now suddenly regular season matters to Laker fans.

what does regular season have to do with it? His team got better for FREE...and still failed. ing San Anotnio Heat Fans.

[Cry Havoc]

what does regular season have to do with it? His team got better for FREE...and still failed. ing San Anotnio Heat Fans.

lol first place regular season team
lol Mo Williams #2 option

[TheMACHINE]

lol first place regular season team
lol Mo Williams #2 option

hey! I just saw the thread. Congrats on the recogintion by the SA Heat fanbase!

[Cry Havoc]

Cry Havoc, gettin' his San Antonio Heat on.

what does regular season have to do with it? His team got better for FREE...and still failed. ing San Anotnio Heat Fans.

lol bandwagon scorn fans

[TheGreatest23]

Lebrons a .

[SanAntonioHeat]

Cry Havoc. Outstanding performance, if i do say so myself.

[Gutter92]

LeBron carrying them all that time had a lot to do with them staying healthy...now that they gotta carry their own weight, they get injured they can't handle the pressure w/o LeBron tbh fwiw

[LnGrrrR]

And yes, The Decision was in extremely poor taste. He's also a very young man who's relatively immature. What baffles me is that people hate LeBron more for The Decision than people hate other athletes for felonies committed while in the league. Look no further than Ray Lewis or Marvin Harrison as guys who are revered as athletes but have much darker pasts. I don't get how "The Decision", something that was not only completely legal, but hyped to by ESPN, is a worse offense than killing/seriously injuring another person. LeBron is probably the most reviled player in the league right now for primarily one mistake he made.

I think it's the idea that those other incidents were obviously mistakes. Now, if Ray Lewis or Marvin Harrison were found guilty of premeditated murder, I doubt you'd see them get off the hook so easily.

Look at Michael Vick, for instance. It took jail time, plus charity/humanity work, plus lots of public apologies for his situation to turn around.

That's the problem people have with the Decision. It was obviously a horribly insensitive thing to do to the city of Cleveland, and anyone with half a brain could've seen that. And Lebron had PLENTY of time to figure that out.

[Cry Havoc]

I think it's the idea that those other incidents were obviously mistakes. Now, if Ray Lewis or Marvin Harrison were found guilty of premeditated murder, I doubt you'd see them get off the hook so easily.

The Decision was obviously done in poor taste as well. But is that worse than being even partially responsible for the stabbing death of another human being? Are those even in the same ballpark?

Look at Michael Vick, for instance. It took jail time, plus charity/humanity work, plus lots of public apologies for his situation to turn around.

Vick's convictions were felonies. But I'll even say that Vick got a bit of a bad rap just because all of the animal rights activists wanted to use him as a scapegoat, and he handled the situation very poorly.

Again, for reference... dog fighting ring where animals are abused/killed != The Decision.

That's the problem people have with the Decision. It was obviously a horribly insensitive thing to do to the city of Cleveland, and anyone with half a brain could've seen that. And Lebron had PLENTY of time to figure that out.

I think he's probably going to regret it for a long time, in retrospect. If he doesn't, well then he's an even more arrogant jerk than he's already made himself out to be. But that's never stopped people from worshipping players in the past. Assholes seem to be far more par for the course than decent individuals at the superstar level.

[LnGrrrR]

The Decision was obviously done in poor taste as well. But is that worse than being even partially responsible for the stabbing death of another human being? Are those even in the same ballpark?

No, but America is quick to forgive people that make mistakes like that. Mistakes that a person has months to think over before they go through with it? America is less forgiving.

Vick's convictions were felonies. But I'll even say that Vick got a bit of a bad rap just because all of the animal rights activists wanted to use him as a scapegoat, and he handled the situation very poorly.

He got a bad rap because it wasn't a "mistake", per se. He knew what he was doing, and did it deliberately (a la The Decision). Once he realized the error of his ways (and he played well), America forgave him.

Again, for reference... dog fighting ring where animals are abused/killed != The Decision.

No one's arguing the crime, they're arguing the motive. If Lebron, a few years down the road, talks about the Decision and admits it was a dumb move, then people will forgive him. But not until he admits it was a mistake. America loves redemption, and without admitting guilt there can be no redemption.

I think he's probably going to regret it for a long time, in retrospect. If he doesn't, well then he's an even more arrogant jerk than he's already made himself out to be. But that's never stopped people from worshipping players in the past. Assholes seem to be far more par for the course than decent individuals at the superstar level.

Assholes that hurt people are one thing, assholes that hurt another city is quite different. ESPECIALLY since it was Cleveland. Lebron came to that city as a savior, a city that is known for sports suckitude.

If he had just entered free agency, signed with another team, and apologized to the Cleveland fans for not bringing them a ring, thanked them for their dedication, etc etc, I doubt a ton of people are hating on Lebron like they are now.