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WTF are u talking about?
Boutons, my ######, troll, well over a million abortions a year are performed in good old USA. Our laws protect those who want to abort kids for whatever reasons they may have but make no mistake, its well over a million a year. I think I read somewhere that since Roe vs Wade there has been close to 50 million abortions committed. , USA is a slaughter house.
WTF are u talking about?
Thank ing Christ. Looks like we're dodging one million bullets every year. That makes Neo look made.
Do you realize that 'life' as biologically defined entails more than just human life, right? Are you as concerned about non-human killing of innocent lives?
Would you like somebody else to decide if you have to keep a tapeworm, or if you should eat meat or not?
The reasons are truly completely irrelevant to you, since you're not being asked to make the decision for her. The law in this country gives the power to make that decision to the person carrying the fetus.
Our country kills a lot of innocent lives every year outside of abortions. Are you as outraged our wars kill innocent civilians and merely label them as "collateral"? Are you advocating for killing our military personnel also?
If not, why not?
Dude,...It's a human life. Around 50 million people in this country have abortions since 1973. Over 90 % of them had the "procedure" for selfish reasons. They admitted it. "I'm not ready for a kid" "I don't know who the dad is" "I was drunk" "He said he would pull out" "I have 2 years left and I get my bachelors" "I just got this job" "I'm not ready" I think it's safe to say there are 30-40 million of examples like this on why these mothers (glad you agree they are mothers) had the life terminated. I can't think of to many reason why anyone would want to abort a kid but forgetting to take birth control pill or I don't think it's my husbands baby should be one of the reasons.
I'm not cheerleading for any religious group, I get our country has killed innocent peeps durning wars and yes in alot of cases I am outraged by that. Our country gives me the power to voice my opinion and that opinion as silly as you may think it is says abortions is the murder of innocent life. I think it's straight up gangster killing most of these kids. Do I understand why some get abortions? Yes. Do I support everyones decisions on abortion? No. Do I think the laws should change on abortion. Yes. Do I know exactly what we should do? No. I know abortion have gotten out of control in this country. I think you even know they have.
If some congressmen wants to try to pass a law saying it's cool for the father to kill the doctor (throw mommy in there for s and giggles), for killing his kid, I am all for it. That will never ever ever happen in a MILLION years but I like some of the messages it sends.
If you kill the mom, you kill the kid too, jack.
Then you'd have to kill yourself.
There could be an upside to this law.
Then someone would have to kill the father, too, for taking a life- right? Like maybe that doctor's parent whose kid's life was taken. Then, someone would have to kill that person... So you believe so strongly in the sanc y of life that you advocate killing people?
And people on here know that I am pro-life but it is people like you and this congressman who give the cause a bad name.
I just loooooove when men having this argument arbitrarily decide how easily pregnant women make the decision to terminate their pregnancy.
I've known several women who have had abortions. Some because their pregnancies were the result of rape and/or incest, some because they "selfishly" decided they weren't ready (to be honest, realizing and admitting that to yourself before becoming a parent is the an hesis of selfish). In all of these cases I know that the women were 100% certain they had made the right decision. Yet in all of these cases I also know that their decisions were VERY difficult to make.
I'm not naive enough to pretend that there aren't women who have a casual approach to abortion or who view it as an easy solution, but as someone who has twice experienced the conflicted emotions that come from mourning a child you didn't want and/or weren't prepared for (miscarriages in my case), I can assure you that's not the way it works for the vast majority of women who seek abortion.
Between the happy trips to the abortion clinic and the vengeful yoo-hoo razor blades, tonight's Political Forum has a serious obsession with the idea of weaponized female reproductive organs. If someone mentions the vagina dentata, I'm out. Gots no time for Freud.
Speaking only for myself, I rather enjoy my interaction with vaginas.
I don't know what happened to these other guys.
Is the Dad of no concern?
Apparently you have a nice monitor.
I think I read a poll before on views regarding abortion. Most people are in the middle, believing that abortions should be legal but legislate them so they are harder to get in certain cases and less common. I'm firmly in that camp. Just because someone is pro-life does NOT make them want to kill the doctors or flat out ban them all.
I think we need to have China adopt all of our culture. They would gain the lax at ude we have, enabling us to catch up on their economy, education and they would benefit from curtailing their population with abortion.
Monitors have nothing to do with it.Apparently you have a nice monitor.
You really are clueless when it comes to vaginas.
Bouton's is latching on to an unintended technicality I think. The black and white of a law always has some unintended loop hole. That's why no we enjoy the unintended facts of things like anchor babies.
I guess the wording could be intentional, but I doubt it.
I have at times stressed the need of all bills/laws having a purpose and scope attached, to separate the intent of the law from the technicalities it creates.
Would have to read the whole bill. Does it have a "purpose and scope" attached at the beginning?
My first thought would be shooting a criminal who is acting with a weapon.
My first thought was the bill was being misread, and making abortion a justifiable homicide.
Abortion has killed more life than evil men like Hitler. Not many people of the time would disagree with killing Hitler as a justifiable homicide.
Ooops...
My bad...
Just opened the bill. The first line reads:
However, a disclaimer at the top also says this:FOR AN ACT EN LED, An Act to expand the definition of justifiable homicide to provide for the protection of certain unborn children.
Now "certain unborn children" is not "all unborn children."This bill has been extensively amended (hoghoused) and may no longer be consistent with the original intention of the sponsor.
Now on the side of it not being used to justify killing abortion doctors, it does say this:
It should be understood, the firt like was introduced like this:if there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony, or to do some great personal injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished.]
It appears it was amended to make it fail.FOR AN ACT EN LED, An Act to provide that the use of force by a pregnant woman for the protection of her unborn child is an affirmative defense to prosecutions for certain crimes.
Last edited by Wild Cobra; 02-16-2011 at 09:19 AM.
You vigilantes here who support self-deputized gun fetishists killing abortion clinic people (why just the doc? why not blow away all the clinic people?) love to respect the Cons ution and SCOTUS when you agree with them, but are willing to murder people when you don't. You represent the best of America, American civilization at its crest.
The myth was that America is a Nation of Laws, not men, but you tea bagging right-wingers are destroying that myth, where America is a nation of men who make up the law as they go along and ignore any law they don't agree with. You know, like dubya's DoJ "lawyers" justifying torture, nullifying habeas corpus, and the entire financial industry in multi-year, serial fraud.
Still their decisions, not yours.
Who gave you the moral high-ground to define what's 'selfish'? Do you want to impose your moral values onto others?
If what you're trying to tell me is that some people regret having abortions after the fact... then, okay, that might be the case. It's still their decision to do it or not, based on their own values. You don't have to agree with them.
There's nothing wrong with having an opinion about abortion, and expressing it. Ultimately though, it's irrelevant seeing that you have no authority over the person with the decision-making process, which is the person carrying the fetus.
When you move past opinion and try to codify your moral standards into laws though, then you're crossing a line. I'm not surprised you agree with the attempt of imposing your moral-high ground on others though.
What message is that? That doing a cons utionally-protected work for hire could get you murdered? For a society that strives to uphold the rule of law, it's absolutely the wrong message.
And where do you think the buck stops with this? The law doesn't specifically target doctors. Does somebody that induces an abortion through non-medical means is automatically fair game for murder? Is a mother taking the morning-after pill also a target?
Not really, no. Does he carry the fetus?
Here's the 1/25/11 version, before the derailing amendments:
HOUSE BILL NO. 1171
FOR AN ACT EN LED, An Act to provide that the use of force by a pregnant woman for the protection of her unborn child is an affirmative defense to prosecutions for certain crimes.
Cardiovascular diseases have killed more life than Hitler...
Do you really want the government to tell you what your diet should be?
I really don't understand why that's needed, to be honest. Doesn't that fall within personal defense?
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