Would you trade TP for Deron?

[chazley]

I wouldnt trade Parker for Williams simply for defensive purposes. Point guards today are quicker and I feel Parker would help more defensively (especially the way he has been playing defense this year) than Williams.

And for those who say our system is too complicated for Williams to learn on the fly , Jerry Sloans offensive system makes pops look like a walk in the park.

All in all to be fair. Parker doesnt have the court vision of the so-called top point guards in the league(Paul/Williams/Rondo..etc) he cant setup players the way they can.

On the otherhand,they dont have to share the ballhandling responsibilities like Parker does. Manu has the ball half the time for the first 3 quarters and has it most of the time during the 4th. Paul/Williams and Rondo have the ball 90% of the time their out there so ofcourse they're gonna have 3-4 assist more than Parker.

So if ever any of those guys came in a trade for Tp, the most you can expect from them would be 7 MAYBE 8ast a game. And 8ast is really pushing it, unless manu handles less and takes more 3's than he has this year (doubted).

Biggest Spurs/Parker myth: We need Tony for his defense against quick PG.
Fact: The Spurs get BURNED by quick PG consistently, and it's Tony playing defense against them a majority of the time.

[portnoy1]

Biggest Spurs/Parker myth: We need Tony for his defense against quick PG.
Fact: The Spurs get BURNED by quick PG consistently, and it's Tony playing defense against them a majority of the time.

So what would happen if the slower deron williams was guarding them?

[wontstartdumbthreads]

Biggest Spurs/Parker myth: We need Tony for his defense against quick PG.
Fact: The Spurs get BURNED by quick PG consistently, and it's Tony playing defense against them a majority of the time.

The biggest Parker myth is that he hasn't peaked. I would if we won the championship this year and then traded him.

[chazley]

So what would happen if the slower deron williams was guarding them?

He wouldn't have to guard them cause opposing coaches wouldn't play quick PG against D-Will if they can avoid it, cause he'll just post them up all day. On top of that, I feel that Deron is only slightly slower than TP at this point in their careers.

[chazley]

The biggest Parker myth is that he hasn't peaked. I would if we won the championship this year and then traded him.

I don't think when people think of Parker they think 'upside'. I think its universally accepted he's in his prime, but it's only breakeven or downhill from here in his current role.

[portnoy1]

He wouldn't have to guard them cause opposing coaches wouldn't play quick PG against D-Will if they can avoid it, cause he'll just post them up all day. On top of that, I feel that Deron is only slightly slower than TP at this point in their careers.

Deron wouldnt be posting up, simply because thats not how the Spurs do things. Remember all that talk about jefferson scoring in transition and posting up when he got here? mainly a spot up 3pt shooter and nothing more since coming here. The Spurs dont integrate you, you adjust to their system regardless of your skill set.

[ohmwrecker]

This is why SA never repeated...

The Spurs never repeated because of injuries for the most part. Trading a key component of the core group doesn't have much to do with it.

[chazley]

Deron wouldnt be posting up, simply because thats not how the Spurs do things. Remember all that talk about jefferson scoring in transition and posting up when he got here? mainly a spot up 3pt shooter and nothing more since coming here. The Spurs dont integrate you, you adjust to their system regardless of your skill set.

No, when you're not a member of the big 3, THEN you adjust to us instead of the other way around. D-Will would immediately become our best player, and we would build around him. You cannot compare him to RJ.

This is all moot anyways cause Utah is not trading Deron anytime soon, but I gotta slap around delusional Spurs fans every once in awhile.

[Mel_13]

He wouldn't have to guard them cause opposing coaches wouldn't play quick PG against D-Will if they can avoid it, cause he'll just post them up all day.

Go ahead Chaz, provide any evidence that supports this ridiculous assertion.

[Mel_13]

And I'm loving Portnoy1 as a Parker defender...

[VBM]

The Spurs never repeated because of injuries for the most part. Trading a key component of the core group doesn't have much to do with it.

I'll give you that, but it always seemed like the company line following a le was "Let's let these same guys try to defend the le now." There didn't seem to be any urgency in improving the team following a le (with the exception of 2005 when the Michael Finley buyout occurred). 2007 jumps out at me, as the Spurs road to the le was made much easier with Dallas and Detroit getting upset. It would have been nice to have spent some cash to bring in HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED instead of shipping him off and believing that Fabricio Oberto, scrappy as he is, could help lead us to multiple les.

Trading Malik Rose for Nazr Mohammed in 05 won SA a le...I just think if the Spurs had gambled a few times post- le, they might have had the depth to absorb an injury and repeated.

[mathbzh]

Fact: The Spurs get BURNED by quick PG consistently,

Who?

[chazley]

Who?

JJ Barea(lol), Devin Harris, Beoubois, Nash last year... could think of alot more if I tried.

[ohmwrecker]

I'll give you that, but it always seemed like the company line following a le was "Let's let these same guys try to defend the le now." There didn't seem to be any urgency in improving the team following a le (with the exception of 2005 when the Michael Finley buyout occurred). 2007 jumps out at me, as the Spurs road to the le was made much easier with Dallas and Detroit getting upset. It would have been nice to have spent some cash to bring in HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED instead of shipping him off and believing that Fabricio Oberto, scrappy as he is, could help lead us to multiple les.

Trading Malik Rose for Nazr Mohammed in 05 won SA a le...I just think if the Spurs had gambled a few times post- le, they might have had the depth to absorb an injury and repeated.

I agree with the notion that the Spurs did not seem to possess a sense of urgency in the post seasons after championships, but I think it's mostly perception. Free agency has never been kind to the Spurs. They got lucky a few times, but San Antonio isn't very alluring to big name FAs for whatever reason. The Spurs have always had to rely on role players who could find their niche in the system and not gum up the works. The Spurs didn't win championships because of the acquisition of guys like Nazr and Fab, but because they fit in the scheme and played their roles.

[mathbzh]

JJ Barea(lol), Devin Harris, Beoubois, Nash last year... could think of alot more if I tried.

This season vs Spurs:
- JJ Barea 6.7 pts (36%) 4 ast/game
- Devin Harris 10 pts (33%) 4 ast
- Nash 18 pts (45%) 8.5 ast
- Beaubois DNP

All bellow their average stats.

Now I agree this is a very small sample. But you can't just isolate one game from Barea or Beaubois (Nash is obviously a different story) and conclude the Spurs get burned by quick PG.

[Cane]

I agree with the notion that the Spurs did not seem to possess a sense of urgency in the post seasons after championships, but I think it's mostly perception. Free agency has never been kind to the Spurs. They got lucky a few times, but San Antonio isn't very alluring to big name FAs for whatever reason. The Spurs have always had to rely on role players who could find their niche in the system and not gum up the works. The Spurs didn't win championships because of the acquisition of guys like Nazr and Fab, but because they fit in the scheme and played their roles.

Yea the Spurs have always been about corporate knowledge and quite a few first-year players have difficulty fitting in, usually they don't play to their potential until their sop re year in SA. The times the Spurs have gone after FA's they failed like Jason Kidd and even Rasheed Wallace (thankfully)