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  1. #101
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    Can we get a James White update?

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    Ian has the tools to be a solid 3rd big on many teams. Just not this one.

    Can anyone honestly say he's better than any one of our five big men? Tiago is substantially more skilled than Ian... and he can barely crack the rotation.

    I can't blame the front office for not wanting to spend the $4M (or whatever it was with the tax hit) to keep a guy around who would never see the floor.

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    or what about George Hill in his first year. Pop opted to go with Vaughn.


    One of the great ST myths.

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    Hill played 17 mpg as a rookie, appearing in 77 games (Vaughn only appeared in 30 games playing 9 mpg) - it's not like he was banished to the bench. Now, he didn't start off in the playoff rotation - which was a mistake, but we weren't beating Dallas without Manu regardless.

    Jackson's first year wasn't a mistake, it was a success story. Coming off a troubled year in Jersey, he needed some time to just learn how to play the game and earn his stripes. I don't think there is a chance in that we get '03 Jax if we don't sit '02 Jax.
    did you watch that season or the playoffs that year? Hill played basically no minutes after the ASB and wasn't nearly prepared enough. His minutes look that way bec. he played most of his minutes early on in the season.

    as for the playoffs, i don't buy that the Spurs would've lost. and you don't know what you're talking about with regard to Stephen Jackson because no one knew much about him that year, i was just bringing it up as a possibility.

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    One of the great ST myths.
    you going to explain why?

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    did you watch that season or the playoffs that year? Hill played basically no minutes after the ASB and wasn't nearly prepared enough. His minutes look that way bec. he played most of his minutes early on in the season.
    you going to explain why?
    Simply put, it's not true.

    George
    Pre ASB- 49 of 51 games at 17.9 mpg
    Post ASB- 28 of 31 games at 14.1 mpg

    Vaughn
    Pre-ASB- 18 of 51 games at10.8 mpg
    Post-ASB- 12 of 31 games at 8.1 mpg

    edited to change 48 to 49

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    did you watch that season or the playoffs that year? Hill played basically no minutes after the ASB and wasn't nearly prepared enough. His minutes look that way bec. he played most of his minutes early on in the season.
    Hill played in 28 games averaging 14 mpg post-all star break. A slight drop-off, but not much.

    Quit making up evidence to support your points.

    Edit: Just saw Mel beat me to the point - kudos.

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    Well then my bad. I still think he should've played more though. And I don't buy that Mahinmi is a bad player.

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    Well then my bad. I still think he should've played more though. And I don't buy that Mahinmi is a bad player.
    Its not that Mahimni is a bad player, but I never could understand all the Pop hate for not playing/developing Mahimni, like Pop was wasting away a future all star in Mahimni on the bench. Maybe because the Spurs have been short of viable bigmen for the past few seasons, which also explains the angst over Splitter's development, but for a number of factors, Mahimni has never been anything more than a bigman project. Talented physically, but after several seasons, still nothing more than a backup big man. If Mahmin was still with the Spurs, he would never get off the bench, so hes in a good place with the Mavs.

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    Well then my bad. I still think he should've played more though. And I don't buy that Mahinmi is a bad player.
    The problem is he is not a good player either, yet...At this point in his career he is simply a 4th or 5th big on a NBA roster.

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    Hey since so many of you watch the Mavs games can you update me on how that Ian is ahead of Haywood declaration is working out?

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    Talk all the you want, Manny. I bet he closes out this game.

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    He's looking awesome with his 2 fouls and one turnovers and well, nothing else.

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    He's looking awesome with his 2 fouls and one turnovers and well, nothing else.
    I guess Carlisle is stunting Mahimni's growth back like Pop use to.

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    I guess Carlisle is stunting Mahimni's growth back like Pop use to.
    It's a league-wide conspiracy.

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    Holy did Ian really foul out in less than 8 minutes in ing garbage time?!?!??!?!

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    Dude just fouled out in 7 minutes of play

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    Where are the internet GM gurus on this one?

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    Where are the internet GM gurus on this one?
    pipe down stubby - 6 fouls in 7 minutes is pretty darn efficient. He must have had a bet with one of his teamates on whether or not it could be done.

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    Where are the internet GM gurus on this one?
    They are all scrambling, trying to figure out how to blame it on Pop.

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    They are all scrambling, trying to figure out how to blame it on Pop.

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    I actually love the way he plays, he might of fouled out this game, but he usually does a really good job when he comes in before Haywood in certain games.

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    I truely can't believe why this uncapable player deserved 5 pages in a thread.

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    They are all scrambling, trying to figure out how to blame it on Pop.



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