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    given the difference in pay between a teacher and a physicists or engineer...I don't know why anyone who has taken more than differential equations 2 would ever teach, especially because high school math teachers already must take more math than 95% of all jobs...
    Because they might like it? Not for me, though; especially after hearing horror stories from my friends who work(ed) in LA Unified (one of them actually dragged some HS kid out the room by his ankles when he wouldn't quit talking ).

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    Because they might like it? Not for me, though; especially after hearing horror stories from my friends who work(ed) in LA Unified (one of them actually dragged some HS kid out the room by his ankles when he wouldn't quit talking ).
    I could see it if the salary was 65K and above, but not for a piddly 45K....

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    I could see it if the salary was 65K and above, but not for a piddly 45K....
    People want to teach or they don't. Perpetually raising teacher salaries will only attract people who want higher paychecks, regardless of their ability. If we weren't a nation built on egalitarian idealism, I'd say CosmicCowboy is right in suggesting a semi-British educational system. Lawd knows we've found ways to be classists without the framework of our educations.

    As for the notion of rewarding meritorious teachers with higher pay... it sounds great until you ask yourself according to what metric will merit be determined? No Child Left Behind policies? TASP and SAT tests? As long as there's a trivium, psychometrics will remain a joke, and there's plenty to suggest that learning geometry (for a quadrivium example) outside of it's historical context results in people who cannot think and solve problems, only regurgitate and ask for help.

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    That's a great point, Halberto. If citizens had any idea of how the money is spent, they'd be screaming like mashed cats. There's a real cottage industry out there that caters specifically to school systems. I remember wanting to use some of my annual budget for some audio gear for my classroom. I was instructed to order it from an approved vendor's catalog. $300 for a portable cassette player! Instead, I went to Best Buy and bought a decent boom box for $80.
    I wonder just how hard the purchasing personnel work in some of these larger districts? We probably don't want to know what they paid for those printers in your example.
    I don't doubt your experience but I wonder if it is as prevalent as you insinuate. Easy to paint with a broad brush, is it not?
    My mother worked as an admin in a large school district for 30 years and this certainly was not her experience. Rather it was more characterized by counter-productive/petty levels of red tape and unnecessary/overkill oversight.

    As an aside and painting with a broad brush of my own, I've worked in education and the corporate America (Microsoft & Boeing), and there's nothing as wasteful as a big company (next to the US Military I suppose).

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    I don't doubt your experience but I wonder if it is as prevalent as you insinuate. Easy to paint with a broad brush, is it not?
    My mother worked as an admin in a large school district for 30 years and this certainly was not her experience. Rather it was more characterized by counter-productive/petty levels of red tape and unnecessary/overkill oversight.

    As an aside and painting with a broad brush of my own, I've worked in education and the corporate America (Microsoft & Boeing), and there's nothing as wasteful as a big company (next to the US Military I suppose).
    Yeah, I've no other examples to use..just the few school districts I taught in. It's almost a certainty that there are ISDs that are on top of this to balance out the one's who seem to be clueless. It was just shocking, to me, to see how nonchalantly the budget was handled in the few experiences I've had. That there was seemingly little resistance to overspending made me wonder if that's a culture within education itself. But, in the end, I don't know what I don't know...so my experiences really can't be considered as a macro view of what happens across the country.

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    Looks like this might be one of those ISD's that know how to handle their cash....

    Find out why no dramatic cuts are needed at HEB ISD

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    Have you driven through Hurst, Euless and Bedford lately?


    Does the greater FTW area near downtown look like it has lots of money to waste right now?

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    I see people being "outraged" whenever any aspect of the school system is cut, regardless of its impact.
    Pla udinous. In other news, the sky is blue.

    The natives get nervous when you start to take away their goodies. Basically agree.

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    Have you driven through Hurst, Euless and Bedford lately?


    Does the greater FTW area near downtown look like it has lots of money to waste right now?
    I drive thru Bedford on the way to work. Somedays, I'll pass thru Hurst depending on traffic. Nice burbs. I live a bit north of them.

    Downtown FTW has money to burn.

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    Do you think that teachers can teach effectively if they have to prepare food, mop hallways, conduct repairs, make hiring and firing decisions, take out the trash, track truancy, drive kids to and from school, and do payroll?
    What a ing dumbass.

    I used class A office space as a comparison. Maintenance, security, heat and a/c, water, janitorial, restrooms, toilet paper, landscaping, parking lot security, etc. is all provided for one flat price in beautiful modern buildings in prime locations. Schools should actually cost much less.

    Only thing not included is a lunch room. Big ing deal.

    Most INTELLIGENT people got that it was a comparison of what the private sector routinely provides for that price.

    And yes, I left out overhead. Most INTELLIGENT posters realized that there was still an obscene amount of money remaining for random overhead, which is EXACTLY where most of our education dollars go...useless overhead.
    Meh. I was unfamiliar with a specific real estate term "class A". If you want to be an asshole about that, feel free to do so. Not the first mistake I have ever made, and it won't be the last.

    Regardless of whether or not utilities are included, your comparison is still so imprecise as to be litte more than an exercise in your confirmation bias, unless you actually do some work and show roughly how many square feet any given school has, rather than pulling some figure out of thin air.

    I have no doubt that there is some unneeded overhead in many school districts.

    BUT

    Your point still falls short, in my opinion, because there are a lot of things that MUST happen to allow teachers to actually teach.

    I do doubt that the amount of overhead is "obscene".

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    I drive thru Bedford on the way to work. Somedays, I'll pass thru Hurst depending on traffic. Nice burbs. I live a bit north of them.

    Downtown FTW has money to burn.
    I stand gratefully corrected.

    Why does it still look like , then?

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    (ugly highway is not the town's fault)

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    Sorry about the knock on your hood, TeyshaB. It was based on my own trivial familiarity with the area. Totally lighthearted and not sincerely meant.

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    (repents in sackcloth and ashes, and so forth)

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    (open to the idea that HEB is prosperous and cool, and downtown FTW is happening)

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    (likes FTW, fwiw)

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    Sorry about the knock on your hood, TeyshaB. It was based on my own trivial familiarity with the area. Totally lighthearted and not sincerely meant.
    lol...I didn't take it in any negative light. I thought you were actually curious.


    It's just typical suburbia...nothing particularly special. But, downtown FTW, like Down town SA, has it goin on. Sundance square in particular is pretty effin' cool.

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    (ugly highway is not the town's fault)
    We do have a load of ugly highways, loops, etc...tho. , Lubbock, Abilene, San Angelo...all have better loop systems than Ft. Worth.

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    (ugly highway is not the town's fault)


    Yeah, that stretch of 121/183 on your way to the airport doesn't paint a very flattering picture of HEB. Glad to hear that it's not a totally representative view of the area.

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    Yeah, that stretch of 121/183 on your way to the airport doesn't paint a very flattering picture of HEB. Glad to hear that it's not a totally representative view of the area.
    We don't like yer kind here.

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    We don't like yer kind here.
    Unless yer packin' a banjo. Then, let the britches drop!

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    We don't like yer kind here.
    Why do you think I'm on my way to the airport!

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    We do have a load of ugly highways, loops, etc...tho. , Lubbock, Abilene, San Angelo...all have better loop systems than Ft. Worth.
    Come to Austin. We have more non-loop "loops" than any city in the nation.

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