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    Last season 28.7 min 4.9 assists
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    I know his passing ability is fantastic, but maybe a little overated? In some games he was just forcing shots too much. I really don't want him to go 6-18 in too many games.
    I think his passing has made guys like Blair a lot better than what they really are. I don't really know how you measure overrated/underrated in passing ability...

    I don't think anybody wants to see him take 18 shots to score 16 points...

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    Manu wanted the fast start, he got his wish, and so far it's worked out well.

    Now he and the rest of the Spurs understand that the priorities are 1A) HCA and 1B) rest and injury-free. So hopefully all this is a little taking the foot off the pedal and getting themselves in the best position for the playoffs.

    Worst-case scenario: he's got nagging injuries.
    I don't dare to imagine that scenario
    So do you think he would be better off the bench right now?

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    I don't dare to imagine that scenario
    So do you think he would be better off the bench right now?
    I hate to say it, but yes.

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    I don't have strong feelings about him starting or coming off the bench. The most important thing is keeping his minutes in the 28-30 MPG range.

    The advantage to bringing him off the bench is that when you do that it's easier to keep his minutes down but still play him 8+ minutes in the fourth quarter.

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    I don't think anybody wants to see him take 18 shots to score 16 points...
    And that's my point. In Jan and Feb, he had many nights taking too many bad shots.
    2-11 vs OKC
    6-15 vs Pacers
    4-11 vs Mavs
    5-15 vs Nuggets
    4-13 vs Rapters
    5-18 vs Knicks
    6-18 vs Blazers
    5-17 vs Lakers
    2-10 vs 76ers
    6-18 vs Bulls
    And Kobe forced shots too many times in recent games too, see how the Fakers went.

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    Didn't Manu Shoot pretty poorly last season, until he caught fire the second half and single handedly carried this team into the playoffs?? My guess is he will come back around sometime soon.

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    And that's my point. In Jan and Feb, he had many nights taking too many bad shots.
    2-11 vs OKC
    6-15 vs Pacers
    4-11 vs Mavs
    5-15 vs Nuggets
    4-13 vs Rapters
    5-18 vs Knicks
    6-18 vs Blazers
    5-17 vs Lakers
    2-10 vs 76ers
    6-18 vs Bulls
    And Kobe forced shots too many times in recent games too, see how the Fakers went.
    For some, these stats just mean that he's "not going all out," and to suggest otherwise means that there's an expectation that he be SuperManu all season, and how dare you raise questions because of our record!

    Back on planet earth, Manu's struggles are something the Spurs had to overcome in the games they won, and on the nights they lost, he poor play contributed to the defeat.

    Struggling is struggling, even if it's Manu.

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    And that's my point. In Jan and Feb, he had many nights taking too many bad shots.
    2-11 vs OKC (7 3PA)
    6-15 vs Pacers (8 3PA)
    4-11 vs Mavs (1 3PA)
    5-15 vs Nuggets (6 3PA)
    4-13 vs Rapters (5 3PA)
    5-18 vs Knicks (5 3PA)
    6-18 vs Blazers (8 3PA)
    5-17 vs Lakers (5 3PA)
    2-10 vs 76ers (5 3PA)
    6-18 vs Bulls (5 3PA)
    And Kobe forced shots too many times in recent games too, see how the Fakers went.
    They're slumps, IMO... You're basically pointing out 8 games (He scored 25 against the Pacers and 23 against Toronto, I don't consider those bad games) over a span of 24 games. Of those, in only 5 he has taken double digit 2PA (and marginally so for the most part).

    Obviously, unlike Kobe, the Spurs have actually won most of those games.

    To me, his 2PA are fairly low. His 3 point shooting has taken more of a focus, and he's just not been able to knock those down in those games.
    I wouldn't mind seeing him driving more and chucking less from outside, but I rather he does that in the playoffs, since it also carries a much higher risk of an injury and what not.

    His 3 point shooting has always been streaky. As I said, he's not a pure shooter like Ray Allen. In some games it feels like he can't miss, in others he can't buy a bucket. He was definitely shooting better early in the season.
    Could be a slump, could be tired legs... not too concerned personally if we can keep on winning at this pace.

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    For some, these stats just mean that he's "not going all out," and to suggest otherwise means that there's an expectation that he be SuperManu all season, and how dare you raise questions because of our record!

    Back on planet earth, Manu's struggles are something the Spurs had to overcome in the games they won, and on the nights they lost, he poor play contributed to the defeat.

    Struggling is struggling, even if it's Manu.
    Well, I don't think he's going out there and not trying to win.
    I also think he's been chucking 3 pointers at a career-high rate, and his makes from downtown have plummeted in the last few months.

    Now, to suggest this is due to injury, I don't know. I think we would know about it by now.

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    He's tired. He's not used to playing this much in the regular season tbh

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    He pretty much said he was tired yesterday talking about going to LA after the game tonight.

    “It comes at the end of a tough road trip, so you’re tired and want to go home,” Ginobili said. “Once I’m there, I’m sure I’ll have a good time.”
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    No. Every Spurs player is under contract next season. We have a damn good shot this season. And no matter what happens, we have a damn good shot next season. After that? FTW
    1 more year Tim, 1 more year Manu, Dice likely done, and if not, 1 more year Dice



    1 more year experience of Miami Heat + perhaps a stronger team if proper adjustments made


    The Spurs aren't winning it for many years if it isn't year

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    Agree with shoogar. The priorities so far are working out well for the Spurs. They're going to finish #1 in the west, they should just try to not slip enough so that the Celtics catch them. And, Manu and Tim are not playing TOO many minutes.

    I think everything is going to end up working out as far as regular season goals are concerned. They will be rested and focused heading into the playoffs if all goes well. In the long run, I'm not worried. But by how they're playing lately, it brings a few concerns.

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    Manu is not good enough to play at the level he was playing at earlier in the season, for an entire season..he's too old and has too much mileage at this point..the Spurs don't need him to be a star player for an entire season..

    Ginobili's defense has improved, as his offense has declined, at least IMO..his D was horrible while he was on his hot streak, it has gotten better, as his offense has regressed, which isn't a coincidence IMO..

    I don't mind to see him coasting, as long as he's peaking in the playoffs..

    At this point, Parker is gonna have to take Manu's role from earlier in the season, Duncan is gonna have to step his game up(like he did tonight), and the rest of the team will have to bring a collective effort(particularly Hill and Blair)..
    He played at that level for basically the entire calendar year of 2010. Not quite a full season and split up into two, but still.

    People need to stop pulling the "fatigue" excuse. He's playing 31 mpg, his minutes have been steadily declining for weeks and he has plenty of help around him, including another player at his level when it comes to creating offense. They're not asking him to carry the team, like he often did towards the end of last season and like he did, at times, earlier this season. In fact, Parker has been mostly carrying the offense for the last few weeks. So the fatigue excuse doesn't fly. And even if you want to pretend it is valid, do some research and you'll find his shooting woes started well before the Rodeo Trip.

    The reality is, his shooting has been so deplorable for so long, that he's now shooting the second worst percentages of his career from the field and three. I realize Duncan is as well, but because of his knees, his lateral mobility and vertical are limited a lot of games. Ginobili has no such reason/excuse.

    If Parker were going through an extended stretch where he struggled with his shot this much, he'd be getting ripped to shreds daily. People would be questioning his focus, commitment, etc. and some would be going so far as to saying he needs to be traded. Yet Ginobili get's basically a free pass and has a built-in excuse.

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    By the law of averages a guy that shoots 46% from the field for his career and 36% from 3 has to have this kind of slumps in order to have stretches where he shoots 50%% and 40% from 3.

    Is as simple as that.


    Plus, he seems a little banged up, and the spurs do have a huge record advantage on all NBA teams.

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    He played at that level for basically the entire calendar year of 2010. Not quite a full season and split up into two, but still.

    People need to stop pulling the "fatigue" excuse. He's playing 31 mpg, his minutes have been steadily declining for weeks and he has plenty of help around him, including another player at his level when it comes to creating offense. They're not asking him to carry the team, like he often did towards the end of last season and like he did, at times, earlier this season. In fact, Parker has been mostly carrying the offense for the last few weeks. So the fatigue excuse doesn't fly. And even if you want to pretend it is valid, do some research and you'll find his shooting woes started well before the Rodeo Trip.

    The reality is, his shooting has been so deplorable for so long, that he's now shooting the second worst percentages of his career from the field and three. I realize Duncan is as well, but because of his knees, his lateral mobility and vertical are limited a lot of games. Ginobili has no such reason/excuse.

    If Parker were going through an extended stretch where he struggled with his shot this much, he'd be getting ripped to shreds daily. People would be questioning his focus, commitment, etc. and some would be going so far as to saying he needs to be traded. Yet Ginobili get's basically a free pass and has a built-in excuse.
    Yes as you can see, Ginobili has done bigger things for San Antonio than Parker.

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    Yes as you can see, Ginobili has done bigger things for San Antonio than Parker.
    Not by as much as many make it seem. Even so, if you want to play that game, Duncan has done more for the Spurs than both Ginobili and Parker combined. Yet people are quicker to get on him if he's playing poorly than they are Ginobili.

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    Only he knows. He started the season so well, but the past few months he has been pretty bad. He's been extremly inconsistent of recent times and he's shooting is off. Hopefully he's just waiting for the play-offs then hits top form.

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    By the law of averages a guy that shoots 46% from the field for his career and 36% from 3 has to have this kind of slumps in order to have stretches where he shoots 50%% and 40% from 3.

    Is as simple as that.


    Plus, he seems a little banged up, and the spurs do have a huge record advantage on all NBA teams.
    Career stats don't represent current stats. U know Shaq's career stats is like 25+10 or higher.

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    Only he knows. He started the season so well, but the past few months he has been pretty bad. He's been extremly inconsistent of recent times and he's shooting is off. Hopefully he's just waiting for the play-offs then hits top form.
    Hope so. If he's really tired, why not rest him more and give Hill, Neal and Anderson more time? Tbh I'd like to know how our 20th pick could perfom.

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    Career stats don't represent current stats. U know Shaq's career stats is like 25+10 or higher.
    Yes they do when the player is still in his prime, and calling the shaq card or any soon-to-be retired player can only be done by a 10 yo kid that doesnt understand what we are talking here.
    Manu as recent as the last 3 years has shoot about that, its normal that if he goes froms stretches where he shoots .507 and .404 as he went sooner this year, he will also go some stretches with .400 and .300. That's why he has those averages because he has always and i mean ALWAYS been this streaky.

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    Yes they do when the player is still in his prime, and calling the shaq card or any soon-to-be retired player can only be done by a 10 yo kid that doesnt understand what we are talking here.
    Manu as recent as the last 3 years has shoot about that, its normal that if he goes froms stretches where he shoots .507 and .404 as he went sooner this year, he will also go some stretches with .400 and .300. That's why he has those averages because he has always and i mean ALWAYS been this streaky.
    OK I agree with you. But his being streaky is really a concern and perhaps is his biggest problem. He got fatigued easily.

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    Yet Ginobili get's basically a free pass and has a built-in excuse.
    Exactly. Kinda fun to watch the fanbois spin the excuses though.

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    He played at that level for basically the entire calendar year of 2010. Not quite a full season and split up into two, but still.

    People need to stop pulling the "fatigue" excuse. He's playing 31 mpg, his minutes have been steadily declining for weeks and he has plenty of help around him, including another player at his level when it comes to creating offense. They're not asking him to carry the team, like he often did towards the end of last season and like he did, at times, earlier this season. In fact, Parker has been mostly carrying the offense for the last few weeks. So the fatigue excuse doesn't fly. And even if you want to pretend it is valid, do some research and you'll find his shooting woes started well before the Rodeo Trip.

    The reality is, his shooting has been so deplorable for so long, that he's now shooting the second worst percentages of his career from the field and three. I realize Duncan is as well, but because of his knees, his lateral mobility and vertical are limited a lot of games. Ginobili has no such reason/excuse.

    If Parker were going through an extended stretch where he struggled with his shot this much, he'd be getting ripped to shreds daily. People would be questioning his focus, commitment, etc. and some would be going so far as to saying he needs to be traded. Yet Ginobili get's basically a free pass and has a built-in excuse.
    So what is Manu's problem in your opinion?

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