General 2011 NBA Draft Discussion

[CGD]

This draft seems fairly weak to me, and I'd have no problem trading the 1st round pick away. Plus I don't think we have the same pressure of injecting youth as in the past especially since we have yet to see the full potential of Splitter & Anderson. Wonder if NJN or NYK are still scrambling to acquire 1st round picks to send to the Nuggets.

[Bruno]

Nets have a ton of draft picks, they don't really need another very late first round.

Knicks, on the other hand, is the team that should offer the most to get Spurs' pick.
Knicks have a 2011 draft pick that is for the moment the 17th one. That's a great trade asset but they can't trade him because they have traded their 2012 draft pick and teams aren't allowed not to have a first round pick in two consecutive future drafts.
To use that "17th" 2011 draft pick in a Melo trade, Knicks need to get first an unprotected 2011 first round pick from another team. Spurs, given that they have the best record in the league, are the better candidate to give them their 2011 unprotected first round pick.
Knicks have some good second round pick coming from Warriors and Spurs could want Bill Walker.

A trade like Spurs 2011 first round pick to NY for $3M in cash and Warriors 2012 and 2013 second round picks would be great.

[yavozerb]

Nets have a ton of draft picks, they don't really need another very late first round.

Knicks, on the other hand, is the team that should offer the most to get Spurs' pick.
Knicks have a 2011 draft pick that is for the moment the 17th one. That's a great trade asset but they can't trade him because they have traded their 2012 draft pick and teams aren't allowed not to have a first round pick in two consecutive future drafts.
To use that "17th" 2011 draft pick in a Melo trade, Knicks need to get first an unprotected 2011 first round pick from another team. Spurs, given that they have the best record in the league, are the better candidate to give them their 2011 unprotected first round pick.
Knicks have some good second round pick coming from Warriors and Spurs could want Bill Walker.

A trade like Spurs 2011 first round pick to NY for $3M in cash and Warriors 2012 and 2013 second round picks would be great.

Thats it, why stop there...

[bluebellmaniac]

A trade like Spurs 2011 first round pick to NY for $3M in cash and Warriors 2012 and 2013 second round picks would be great.

I have great respect for Bruno, but I gotta admit... that does appear to ask a lot for the last pick of the 1st round... :-D

Should that have been in blue? ;-)

[ChuckD]

Valid point. I'm just not sure who you draft n' stash. Rabaseda made sense but Bruno brought up some valid concerns regarding him. Also, the 30th pick in an otherwise weak draft won't warrant much consideration from other teams. Best case scenario might be that we get a couple million in cash for it.

I think at this point, you take that. There is about a 5% chance that any player taken there can even make the roster. Just dump it for cash and maybe a future pick. There are teams like NY and Denver that will be pick hunting and players taken at #30 CAN make their rosters. New York, in particular, will be decimated after the Melo trade.

[Bruno]

I have great respect for Bruno, but I gotta admit... that does appear to ask a lot for the last pick of the 1st round... :-D

Should that have been in blue? ;-)

Very late first round pick are usually sold $3M but it's just before the draft when teams exactly know where they will pick and the pool of available players. Getting a first round pick at the trade deadline costs more. An additional cost of 2 second rounders seems reasonable given that Spurs will be in a damn strength position with Knicks.

[tuncaboylu]

Very late first round pick are usually sold $3M but it's just before the draft when teams exactly know where they will pick and the pool of available players. Getting a first round pick at the trade deadline costs more. An additional cost of 2 second rounders seems reasonable given that Spurs will be in a damn strength position with Knicks.

Come on Bruno, it's a highway robbery

Maybe we can only get 2012 Golden State 2nd round pick(which will be around 35-40) next to cash. 2 second round pick + 3M for 30th pick is a very optimist estimation.

[Bruno]

Come on Bruno, it's a highway robbery

Maybe we can only get 2012 Golden State 2nd round pick(which will be around 35-40) next to cash. 2 second round pick + 3M for 30th pick is a very optimist estimation.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

It isn't sure that Spurs end up with the best record this year, Spurs pick could be better than 30th. Warriors are the 12th worst team this year and they are young, their 2012 second round could easily be worse than 40th. The most important is that Spurs will have tons of leverage if Knicks need this pick to get Melo. Being robed of a second round pick is a very little price to pay to get a top 10 player.

[tuncaboylu]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

It isn't sure that Spurs end up with the best record this year, Spurs pick could be better than 30th. Warriors are the 12th worst team this year and they are young, their 2012 second round could easily be worse than 40th. The most important is that Spurs will have tons of leverage if Knicks need this pick to get Melo. Being robed of a second round pick is a very little price to pay to get a top 10 player.

Don't forget 3M

[Darkwaters]

Bruno's trade idea is the best case scenario I see. We don't really have any need for players but that pick swap would be huge for us. I doubt the 30th pick plays for us next year, but the additional high level 2nd's would be nice for future draft n' stash's as well as possible future DeJuan Blair's.

[bluebellmaniac]

We have no need to tie up a roster spot and guarantee $ to a player who won't get playing time. That pick at the end of the 1st is horrible for draft n stash too. Too low a salary. If the draft n stash turns out to be awesome, he'd never come over. Trading the pick for 2nds is ideal, I agree.

Are we as Spur fans just smarter than other fans because of what we've learned from our front office? If I was Denver, I'd rather have the 2nds instead of that 1st round pick. But I suppose other teams don't think forward the way ours does.

[pad300]

We have no need to tie up a roster spot and guarantee $ to a player who won't get playing time. That pick at the end of the 1st is horrible for draft n stash too. Too low a salary. If the draft n stash turns out to be awesome, he'd never come over. Trading the pick for 2nds is ideal, I agree.

Are we as Spur fans just smarter than other fans because of what we've learned from our front office? If I was Denver, I'd rather have the 2nds instead of that 1st round pick. But I suppose other teams don't think forward the way ours does.

Denver wouldn't get the spurs 30th pick. They would get this year's Knicks pick. The Spurs pick is needed so that the Knicks can trade their pick (the Stepien rule - you can't trade into a position where you will not have a 1st round pick for 2 years. The knicks have traded their 2012 1st already. They can't trade this years first without acquiring another 1st round pick somewhere...).

[bluebellmaniac]

Ahhhhhh. Gotcha.

That makes Bruno's remarks really come into focus. I missed that part. Now I see why NY would be willing to fork over the two second rounders for our late 1st. A team with a better first rounder would not be willing to give their first rounder up for second rounders, making our pick more valuable.

I'll just be glad when we get rid of our first rounder, I just don't see value in it. I see lots of value in having 2 additional second rounders. Our FO are second round ninjas.

[jesterbobman]

I think the NYK Pick dump is the best available idea(Semi realistic idea). The poor talent pool, at least in terms of how it looks at the moment with the lockout possibilities in place and our lack of needs, mean the pick is essentially a depth player.

The idea of trading for additional depth this year also seems unnecessary, We don't have big contracts of players not in our rotation, and we don't have any real gaps to fill, assuming Anderson gets back up to speed/healthy, and the gaps we'd fill wouldn't even be playoff players(Chris Quinn probably won't be playing, nor would another depth PG we brought in, same probably goes for SF depth)

Also, we seem to be holding spot 13 open for a waived player, who'd be more likely to play than a minimum salary guy we could get for 30.

[bluebellmaniac]

So Denver settled for NY's 2014 first rounder.... bah! We could've used those 2nd rounders...

[Darkwaters]

It is now a very realistic scenario that the Spurs dump the 1st for cash and then draft some super obscure Euro at 60 and thats our draft day.

[CGD]

I'm OK with that especially since it looks like we'll have to wait until next year to see the true potential of JA/Splitter anyway. I also agree with what's been said about the value of 2011 1st rounders being fairly low (e.g., weak crop of players & uncertainty about the changes to the rookie scale). A trade for cash, future picks, or a gamble on a "fallen angel" from a recent draft are the way to go I believe.

[Ditty]

the only player I see worth drafting at the small forward position that could be available when we pick is Kris Joseph from Syracuse. Good defender already, and has a great offense game. His 3 point shooting is a work in progress, that's why he's not supposed to be picked too high they say but has improved his mechanics alot they say, and maybe a year with chip he'll become a decent shooter.

Alot of power forwards in this draft. Would be a good time to draft someone if they Dyess decided to retire.

Bruno, would you know what pick ryan richards may have gone if he entered this draft?

[Libri]

Bruno,

As always, your work is much appreciated. Thanks.

[admiralsnackbar]

Bruno,

As always, your work is much appreciated. Thanks.

Co-signed

[Bruno]

Thanks for the thanks.

I've added some profile of players who are automatically eligible for the draft. If I've made some mistakes or if you want to add some players, just let me know it.

[ChuckD]

Make a Gilberto Clavell thread please ....

DX doesn't even have a profile for him, and they build a LOT of profiles every year.

[mathbzh]

Thanks for the thanks.

I've added some profile of players who are automatically eligible for the draft. If I've made some mistakes or if you want to add some players, just let me know it.

He is probably not a draft target for 2011 (I don't think he will be in). But maybe you could create an "International Prospect" thread for Joffrey Lauvergne (6'11 PF born in 1991).

He is having a solid season in the French league.

2010 Adidas Eurocamp scouting report from NBADraft.net:

8. Joffrey Lauvergne (Game 1 - 4 pts, 2 rebs) (Game 2 - 2 pts, 3 reb, 2 stl)

Playing only 8 minutes in the first game, the 1991 born French bigman was still able to show some nice things. His size and strong body allow him to muscle his way and create space inside.

Lauvergne showed excellent length and agility in the limited minutes he was on the floor. He runs the floor with fluidity and also has nice leaping ability. Lauvergne shows some toughness although he appears to be more of a finesse big. He still needs to add some bulk but has the makings of a future draft pick showing more promise than many of kids in the Eurocamp. For some reason the French coaches opted to keep him out of the game giving a number of inferior bigmen more minutes.

[moisaenz]

Of all the PF's and C's in the draft, which one could the spurs get??

[tuncaboylu]

Of all the PF's and C's in the draft, which one could the spurs get??

Keith Benson would be available when we draft. He's a good guy 18 pts 11 rebs averages. He's also a senior which means he can serve immediately when he comes to team.