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The Bulls interior defense is lacking. Noah can board, but he's not a defensive stopper.
wow this thread is full of stupidity. The Bulls beat the Spurs, and GNSF declares that D-Rose will be the first PG in over 20 years to carry his team to the finals.
The Bulls interior defense is lacking. Noah can board, but he's not a defensive stopper.
Boozer is such a ing defensive force imho.
On topic,props to the Bulls.D-Rose is the MVP thus far and coach Thibodeau is doing a great job.
I still think that they lose to the Heat or the Celtics in the playoffs but you never know,since they haven't play in full strength yet.
Agreed. They're dangerous. And Derrick Rose is that good. But Boston and Miami are simply better teams. Better teams win playoff series a vast majority of the time. So it would take a pretty rare occasion for the Bulls to beat either Boston or Miami in the playoffs. If they have to face both of them, it would take miraculous play by Rose to do it. I guess he's capable. But I find it unlikely.
Tim Duncan does express himself on the court. He does react to what he feels are bad calls and he does do that hug the basketball thing. I've seen Duncan get excited over a big play. He's more expressive than you're suggesting. It's that Duncan is completely unselfish and off the court pretty much an egoless, ho hum, average guy that people think he's emotionless on the court. That's not true. Duncan does get expressive on the court. If anything Derrick Rose is kind of opposite from Duncan. Rose doesn't change expressions on the court, but we're seeing with the rumored stories about him not wanting LeBron or Wade to take his shine, he actually does have an ego behind his stoic image.
No team starting Keith Bogans will ever make the finals. Only if the starting lineup around him was (in their primes) Hakeem Olajuwon, Tim Duncan, Larry Bird, and Jason Kidd. Then, maybe, MAYBE, Keith Bogans could get to the Finals.
They need a decent shooting guard. Too bad Gordon doesn't play there anymore. If Hamilton gets bought out, which he won't, but he would be a good fit. Ray Allen would be perfect but that's not happening.
The Bulls need a SF or SG who can create his own shot off the dribble. The way they're currently built teams will key in on Rose at the end of games and their offense will fall apart.
^ agree
Bulls would be unbeatable with Beaubois and would eclipse Jordan + Pippen's 6 ships
Exactly.
They're a scorer away from being a serious contender. Bogans will never win a le as a starter.... it's scary to even think that the Bulls are contenders with him logging so many minutes.
It's funny because I'm not a Mavs fan and have previously scoffed Mavfan for their Beaubois fetish
For some reason Hitmanyr2k is thought of as an extremely knowledgeable poster when he's not and is in fact one of the bigger dip s on this site. Thanks for pointing that out.
Dear god i didn't think this thread could get any worse after the OP's "the Bulls beat the Spurs, they are going to the Finals" bit
Meh. Perhaps I should have said, "The Bulls defensive system is better". Boozer is obviously not a great defender, but Noah is, and despite the Bulls playing an extremely slow pace, Noah and Boozer outrebound Dirk and Chandler by a pretty healthy margin.
yeah somehow a frontcourt that consists of a top 5 mvp candidate and a guy who's arguably been the 2nd best defensive C behind Howard this year is just probably better than Boozer/Noah.
In your book, are the Bulls a decent starting 2 guard away from being on par with the Celts/Heat?
Dallas Mavericks pace rating: 90.5
Chicago Bulls pace rating: 91.3
gr8 argument bro
i can agree with that.
I think on defense the margin is pretty similar between Noah and Chandler (both great) and Dirk and Boozer (both meh).
Wow, Dallas slowed down their offense a lot recently. I thought they were averaging 100+ a game. They still score more than the Bulls, though negligible, and Noah/Boozer are still better rebounders than Chandler/Dirk.
But yeah, I'd have to take the Mavs frontcourt, although it just seems weird to think of Dirk as part of a frontcourt because he's not a post-player by any stretch of the imagination.
Since when has Boozer been considered much of a post player?
Do you consider Amare Stoudemire/Chris Bosh/Kevin Garnett part of a front court? I see their games no less jump shooting/high post oriented than Dirk's is.
And while he's not Gasol in the low post or anything like that, Dirk has actually developed a decent low-post game, as now when having smaller guys on him, he pretty easily backs them into the post, either drawing a double and kicking it to the open man, or he scores easily. in the past, this was not something he was known to do at all.
Eh, regardless of how good his low post game is he never uses it so I'm hesitant to give him credit there. The modern day NBA however has less low post game/hook shots/up and under moves/etc. in general and more guys using the backdown in the high post to create space on jumpers with shots while their body is falling away from the basket. Point being, Dirk's back-to-the-basket game being mostly turn-around fadeaways is something that's very common in the NBA nowadays, especially with current day power forwards. Chris Bosh and Amare Stoudemire (two guys considered by most to be premier PFs) both take a lot more fadeaway jumpers in the high post than they do hook shots in the low post.
Wouldn't be shocked if the Bulls were to beat Miami in a tight series. They'll need some guys to step up offensively for that to happen, but with everyone healthy I think they can be more physical and defend better and that can be the difference in a seven game series.
I think they lose in six to a healthy Boston team though. The Celtics' bigs are tough enough to push Boozer out of the paint and negate him. Rose is still good enough that he could carry that team to a win or two all on his own, but not four.
Amare: Yes. Because he has a crazy array of post-moves, and is usually closer to the hoop on any given play than Dirk is. Considering he's much shorter than Dirk yet still rebounds on par with him (much better this year, actually), Amare fits my definition of a post-player, though he's more a hybrid because of how fast and athletic he is. He's made a living posterizing interior bigs, much unlike Dirk has. And I don't think you could ever classify Amare as a wing player, although you could certainly make the argument for Dirk.
Bosh: Yes. He's not a great defender but he is usually playing closer to the hoop on defense. He's got a good mid-range J, but so have a lot of great centers/PFs of the past, so I don't think having a little range discredits you.
Garnett: That's a bit different. I could see him as a post/wing hybrid like Dirk. I STILL don't think of KG as a big under the hoop, because I spent so many years watching him at the SF slot, so maybe that's my own fault. It just seems to be like Dirk, KG is more comfortable playing about 10-20 feet out on either side of the ball, where as Amare and Bosh are more comfortable from 0-12 or 0-15 feet most of the time.
I think Miami - Chicago would go 7, Miami - Boston would go 7, and Boston - Chicago would go at least 6 at this point. 3 very good teams at the top of the East right now, all well ahead of Orlando at this point, who could still make a surge after the ASB.
Amare has an array of post moves? Have you ever watched Amare Stoudemire play basketball
Closer to the hoop on D? Wtf does that mean? I don't see Dirk guarding guys far away from the basket and same with Bosh. I see them both as their team's primary pick and roll/help defender. Meanwhile, over 75% of Bosh's shots are jumpers. Unlike Dirk, they're not jumpers he creates for himself with his back to the basket, they're face-up jumpers. He's even less of a post player on offense.
So by your definition, KG shouldn't be considered part of a front court because he doesn't like playing in the low post?
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