Which, if any, of these are HOFs ?

[J_Paco]

what other player is in because they factored in college career?

First guy that comes to mind is Bill Walton. His great college career at UCLA definitely aided Walton in reaching the HOF, especially when his NBA career was dampened by injuries.

[LILCOOK]

bobby hurley would of been the next john stockton

[JMarkJohns]

what other player is in because they factored in college career?

James Worthy was helped by his NCAA career as much as his NBA championships for his good but not great NBA career.

[rayjayjohnson]

Sheed and Billups Hall of Famers??

you mean finals mvp, team usa leader chauncey billups?

[Jt.ONE]

Chris Webber
Rasheed Wallace
Chauncey Billups
Marc Jackson
Dikembe Mutombo
Alonzo Mourning
Robert Horry
Tracy McGrady
Grant Hill
Vince Carter

the only 2 that come in mind that MIGHT be are mutombo and mourning, but they are borderline to me imo.

marc jackson 3rd all time assist leader, there must be some credit for him there?

[JMarkJohns]

the only 2 that come in mind that MIGHT be are mutombo and mourning, but they are borderline to me imo.

marc jackson 3rd all time assist leader, there must be some credit for him there?

Jackson wasn't that good. His impressive career stats are one of longevity, not supreme talent. He's an above average PG with a few very good years. He's a one-time All-Star with career averages of 10 ppg, 8 apg on 45% shooting.

Not Hall worthy. The fact he's even nominated is absurd.

[Blake]

I don't think I'd mind that too much, tbh. I'm sure there's people on the offensive side who were a complete liability on the defensive end that are in the HoF, after all. I don't think one side is necessarily more important than the other.

Gervin was pretty mediocre on defense.

[ChuckD]

Decided to go to basketball reference HOF probability to see what they thought. It obviously isn't 100% accurate but it's an interesting gauge because it is based on statistical information and it does seem somewhat accurate.

HOF Probability list: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ob_career.html

The formula they use: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/hof_prob.html

Basically, if you're ranked in the top 75 or so on the list, you're essentially a lock for the HOF unless you're Jo Jo White. Once you get past around 75, it's a guessing game. Once you get passed rank #90, you're unlikely to get in. The lowest ranked HOFer on this list of 250 players is Calvin Murphy at 205. There are only 4 HOFers ranked lower than 150.


Chris Webber - ranked 80th highest all time with a .7295 HOF probability. The only player above him who is eligible and not in the HOF is Jo Jo White. Ahead of guys like Mourning and Dikembe who some think are locks.

Rasheed Wallace - ranked 209th with a .0361 HOF probability. Won't and shouldn't get in.

Chauncey Billups - ranked 132nd with a .2144 HOF probability. Probably only consideration is the Finals MVP but likely won't make it.

Marc Jackson - unless I missed him, he's not in the top 250 players most likely to get in based on the formula.

Dikembe Mutombo - ranked 214th with a .0328 HOF probability. I could see him getting in more as a "contributor" than a "player" for his humanitarian acts as an NBA ambassador. I don't think he qualifies as a player.

Alonzo Mourning - ranked 106th with a .4723 HOF probability. I think 2006 helped him even though he was a back-up center and role player. Otherwise, I don't think he'd have a chance.

Robert Horry - not in the top 250 based on this formula.

Tracy McGrady - ranked 85th with a .6875 HOF probability. The modern perception of him by fans is much different from his actual statistical perception for the HOF. If he gets in, there will be plenty of people who will disagree with it, especially because of the playoff futility of the teams he's played for. But there's a far greater chance for him to get in than everyone else on the list other than his cousin. But I'm one of those who don't think he should get in either.

Grant Hill - ranked 111th with a .4405 HOF probability. Would rank higher if his college career was included.

Vince Carter - ranked 65th with .8628 HOF probability. A lot of what I said about T-Mac goes for Vince. But I think Vince could make it the same way Dominique did, over time with people appreciating his numbers and focusing less on what happened with his departure in Toronto and his inability to help teams get better later in his career. I initially said he wouldn't get in, but looking how highly he ranks statistically all time, I'm reconsidering that opinion.

Here are a couple other interesting names on the list and where they rank based on the formula they used.

Manu Ginobili - ranked 154th with a .1314 HOF probability. Doesn't take into consideration his international career.

Reggie Miller - ranked 190th with a .0553 HOF probability. Since there's a thread about him, thought I'd include him.

Ginobili won't get in using the NBA formula, but he's a mortal lock for his Euroleague and FIBA WC/Olympics accomplishments. Just look at Drazen Petrovic's HoF profile page and you'll see why Manu is going in.

[JamStone]

Thanks but I already knew that. That's specifically why I mentioned his international accomplishments weren't factored into his ranking using this formula.

[DMC]

Wow..Did you just compare Dominique Wilkins to Robert Horry?


Holy .

No worse than comparing Kobe to MJ.

[DMC]

you mean finals mvp, team usa leader chauncey billups?

He means "PG for the Nuggets, otherwise you would be saying the same ing thing Billups"

[ChuckD]

No worse than comparing Kobe to MJ.

Robert Horry is a 7ppg career scorer, so yes, comparing him to 'Nique is way worse than Kobe/MJ comparisons.