Spurs guard Gary Neal will be featured on a segment of ESPN's Outside the Lines...

[ElNono]

Neal will have a "White Mamba" movie directed by Tarantino... book it

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Really great piece.

[howbouthemspurs]

Great video! I think hes going to be a spur for a long time!

[~Sweetmelody~]

Ploto,

I believe you have to be very careful and in saying someone hasn't taken responsibility for their actions.

Gary may have taken responsibility for his actions privately and has a right to say he didn't anything wrong.

I do agree with you that his actions was wrong. But, everyone deserves a chance at redemption and to move on with their lives.

Moreover, people can do things wrong and we are allow to judge their actions and don't have to condemn them as human beings.

Unfortunately, our current society thinks if someone is judging their actions, then we are condemning them as a person. That's not true.

It's a fine line we have to walk....but we must do it anyway.

I agree but on the other side he is a role model and others will look up to him. Sometimes it's better to say, I regret certain things.

I hate to say it but I like the guy as a player and I try not think about it while he is on the court. It just colors my view and I want to enjoy the game.

[Kool Bob Love]

Thats my dude.

[ploto]

I do agree with you that his actions was wrong. But, everyone deserves a chance at redemption and to move on with their lives.

Moreover, people can do things wrong and we are allow to judge their actions and don't have to condemn them as human beings.

Show me where I condemned him as a human being. I simply said that what he did was wrong, and it would be better for him to admit some responsibility for what happened that night. People who claim they did nothing wrong seldom learn from their mistakes.

[ploto]

I disagree about her not being able to make decisions just because she was vomiting. I've seen drunken women coming on to men, when they probably shouldn't have. I'm also sure the alcohol played a role in their boldness, and most probably some regretted it the day after. But they usually knew what they were doing at that moment.

It is the law in Pennsylvania.

[Mel_13]

It is the law in Pennsylvania.

Perhaps if she was too drunk to consent. That was the contention of the prosecution. The jury found otherwise.

[ploto]

Perhaps if she was too drunk to consent. That was the contention of the prosecution. The jury found otherwise.

All these pages in and you still have not figured out that I do not care what the jury decided.

[GeorgeShinnLooms]

Show me where I condemned him as a human being. I simply said that what he did was wrong, and it would be better for him to admit some responsibility for what happened that night. People who claim they did nothing wrong seldom learn from their mistakes.

He had drunken sex. His only mistake was not tapping it again in the morning.

[Mel_13]

All these pages in and you still have not figured out that I do not care what the jury decided.

You not only contend his actions were wrong, you contend they were criminal. Clearly you do care.

[texas_gator]

Neal! work ethic reminds me of a former Spur, wore #12...

BRUCE!

[ploto]

Clearly you do care.

People keep saying he was found not guilty as if that proves he was not in the wrong. That verdict means nothing to me. That is what I mean by saying I do not care what the jury decided.

People are found not guilty who do things that are illegal and/or wrong all the time.

[Mel_13]

People keep saying he was found not guilty as if that proves he was not in the wrong.

Classic ploto misdirection. I never said anything to even suggest such a thing.

That verdict means nothing to me. That is what I mean by saying I do not care what the jury decided.

People are found not guilty who do things that are illegal and/or wrong all the time.

In this thread you have said:

I wanted to like the piece, but it bothers me that his response to the question of the sex was - "I didn't do anything wrong." Whether it was illegal or not, it definitely was wrong. He took no responsibility for his behavior or his choices on that night.

And:

Show me where I condemned him as a human being. I simply said that what he did was wrong, and it would be better for him to admit some responsibility for what happened that night. People who claim they did nothing wrong seldom learn from their mistakes.

Yet you continue to insist that he committed a crime. Seems like you want more than an admission of wrongdoing, you flat out believe he was guilty. Stop being so coy.

[jsandiego]

There's a difference between a moral and a legal 'wrong'. You don't have to do and be convicted of something illegal to be 'wrong'.

The situation Neal was involved in was found not to be legally wrong. Moral right and wrong is determined by local standards. I would say there are plenty of people who would find the situation Neal ended up in that night to be 'wrong', morally speaking, for many different reasons. That's not "holy roller" judgmentalism, that's just public opinion that running a train with a drunk, vomiting coed is in poor taste.

In Neal's defense, this piece might have been edited, or he was giving a short answer rather than a long answer to the question. While he said "I didn't do anything wrong," he clearly has lived his life in a different manner since the incident. He's a family man now. His actions seem to show that he thinks he did something wrong that night by ending up in such a situation, and his reputation has suffered for it.

Props to Neal for getting a 2nd chance, and overcoming the bad reputation by just shutting up and playing his way onto the best team in the world.

[Kori Ellis]

Yet you continue to insist that he committed a crime. Seems like you want more than an admission of wrongdoing, you flat out believe he was guilty. Stop being so coy.

ploto is saying that (to her) it doesn't matter if he was convicted of rape or not -- it was wrong to have sex with a woman who was bent over a sink throwing up from being so intoxicated.

[Mel_13]

ploto is saying that (to her) it doesn't matter if he was convicted of rape or not -- it was wrong to have sex with a woman who was bent over a sink throwing up from being so intoxicated.

She thinks that Neal's conduct was both wrong and criminal, yet tried to play off her objection to the ESPN piece as only about Neal's lack of contrition.

[Obstructed_View]

A woman that drunk can not consent by law. It is wrong to have sex with a girl so drunk she is puking.

I'll be interested to see you produce the "vomiting" clause in the consent laws.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

in neal's defense, this piece might have been edited, or he was giving a short answer rather than a long answer to the question. While he said "i didn't do anything wrong," he clearly has lived his life in a different manner since the incident. He's a family man now. His actions seem to show that he thinks he did something wrong that night by ending up in such a situation, and his reputation has suffered for it.

Props to neal for getting a 2nd chance, and overcoming the bad reputation by just shutting up and playing his way onto the best team in the world.

this

[KenziE]

what not to like about the piece it was very straight forward and entertaining .. i coudn't careless of his past mistake which clearly made him a better person ... neal FTW baby

[spurs10]

I find extremely hard to believe anyone would be found not guilty of rape when having sex with someone while they are throwing up in a sink. Surely there is no prosecutor that inept in Ohio or anywhere else. They probably had sex when they had been drinking, she probably got sick at some point, but since we weren't there...who knows how it played out. What if the guy is innocent?

[Thompson]

what not to like about the piece it was very straight forward and entertaining .. i coudn't careless of his past mistake which clearly made him a better person ... neal FTW baby

Freudian.

[KenziE]

Freudian.

you a speech doctor or somethin'? so how do you want me to set up my sentences ? teach me im all ears buddy

[Giuseppe]

And it wasn't like the girl was of any import.

Just disposable human debris. Otherwise, Pop woulda never got the opportunity to sign Neal.

Sometimes it pays to be lucky & good.

tee, hee.

[Bill_Brasky]

Great piece. I'm surprised Gary got off on this case, usually when girls accuse guys of rape it's taken very seriously and hardly any defense can get the guy off, no matter how full of the girl is.