Is the deal really like that? I was under the impression that some of what's being proposed like the healthcare/benefits portion would go in effect immediately for everybody.
On May 2nd, 1933, the day after Labor day, Nazi groups occupied union halls and labor leaders were arrested. Trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. This was the beginning of a consolidation of power by the fascist regime which systematically wiped out all opposition groups, starting with unions, liberals, socialists, and communists using Himmler’s state police.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2011/02/20...lishes-unions/
Godwin's Law holds.
Bull .
What happened in Germany is exactly what is happening in UCA. That is not to say the Repugs/VRWC are Nazis.
The parallel is that autocrats, authoritarians push to ELIMINATE all opposition and dissent. Remember the dubya eliminationist Repugs were hallucinatings about a permanent Repug majority?
The Fox Repug Propahanda network, the VRWC's Ministry of Information, certainly distorts, revises history, and lies as thoroughly as anything out of Germany or Russia.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 02-21-2011 at 10:18 PM.
boutons is exempt from Godwin's Law. , he's exempt from most of the reality-based world.
A wonderful plan to undersell taxpayers assets to private owners, and why not to your friends, familly, and financiers like Kock Bros? (That's how dubya made his $17M. The taxpayer-funded baseball stadium was given to an investor group that included dubya because of his name)
16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling, and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private en y for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).
http://www.newdeal20.org/2011/02/21/...no-bids-36483/
Actually, bd, Bush never owned any interest in the stadium. It is a city-owned property, leased to the Rangers.
You Lie
The facts are well known. Do you get your from Fox?
"After working on his father's successful 1988 presidential campaign, Bush learned from fellow Yale alumnus William DeWitt, Jr., that family friend Eddie Chiles wanted to sell the Texas Rangers baseball franchise along with the new sports dome; built on land acquired under eminent domain law and built under funding financed through taxpayers' funds backed by a bond issued for its debt. The new home of the Texas Rangers is still being contested in court by the original landowner who has not received payment for the land. The sports dome has not yet been paid off with the tax increase enacted to pay off the bond. The selling of the baseball team included the new stadium, which accounts for the huge profits the investors received. The benefits to the taxpayers or the landowner from their contributions are unknown. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profess...George_W._Bush
The Harken deal really stunk, too. Of course, the SEC would never touch a East Coast establishment like the Bush family.
How long until we get the Bush family colluded with Hitler post?
You know, you. Even if I were wrong, which I'm not; doesn't mean I'm lying. People are mistaken all the time. That doesn't make them liars...
The Ballpark at Arlington, now named Ameriquest stadium because they purchased naming rights, is wholly owned and operated by the City of Arlington through the "Arlington Sports Facilities Development, Inc.," a division of the city's Financial & Management Resources Department.
Your source is wrong -- I'm not saying you lie -- George W. Bush never owned any part of the publicly owned facility.
The Stadium is leased to the Rangers organization.
By the way, I'm completely opposed to publicly funded sports arenas of any kind. I think taxpayers who approve these deals are stupid. I think sports teams owners should build, own, maintain, and operate their own ing stadiums.
I think Bu ler is a bd-invented colloquialism.
Well, it's out there, and boutdog will find it.
Actually, I think you brought up valid points. You also acknowledged that those in the system may think it unfair.
I guess we'll have to wait and see. However, it is starting to appear as if the Governor may well prevail in this fight.
And, if he does, I think other states will follow suit.
It's definitely an interesting political battle. I think both sides are somewhat "right". On one hand, taxpayers are hurting, and it is understandable they'd want to recoup some money.
On the other hand, these amenities were promised to those teachers, and who willingly accepts a reduction in pay/benefits? And if they just give in to this battle, what happens if they are pushed again to give up salary/benefits?
It's alot like sports salaries, really. Stupid owners overpay for mid level players, but you won't see the players union accept a smaller contract. (I know there are differences between public/private, just using analogies)
Here's a private union worker that is fed up with his public employee counterparts...
State Workers in Wisconsin See a Fraying of Union Bonds
Those who otherwise lose their jobs entirely; that's who.
Well yes, but I didn't think many of these people were at the chopping block.
This isn't just about collective bargaining and union busting.
According to one of the Democrats in hiding, this bill would also put the governor in charge of the state's Medicaid. Imagine that if you're middle class or poor in Wisconsin. Haven't seen anyone mention this yet.
Teachers and other public workers unions in WI do, they've agreed to make health insurance and pension contributions. And, a move of solidarity, firefighters and police have also apparently agreed to make contributions, even though they are exempted from Walker's attack:
"We Have a Fire in the House of Labor. We Are Here to Put it Out": Wisconsin Firefighters and Police Officers Join Massive Protests Against Anti-Union BillWe are saying, as firefighters and police, we are willing to concede, even though you are telling us you don’t have to, to give 5.8% pension and 12.8% into our healthcare insurance to help save the collective bargaining agreement that we have had for 75 years in the state of Wisconsin.
I think that we have to be clear, that this is not just an attack on unions, this is an attack on the middle-class.
This is a clear attack on the rights the middle-class has to talk to their employers about hours, wages and working conditions. We just cannot stand by and let that happen.
Mahlon Mitc , President of the Wisconsin Professional Firefighters Association.
Walker's power play is NOT about money or (fabricated) deficits.
It's about intimidating and destroying union power, leaving the compromised govt and corporations unopposed in their strategy to impoverish employees while stuffing corporate mgmt's and investors' pockets.
This battle is pivotal. If the VRWC wins in WI and OH, it will spread union/pension/employee busting everywhere, public and private sector.
This is about the GOP breaking the knees of organized labor. Of course no one on the right will acknowledge this.. it is all about the budget..
I hope I'm wrong, but I think we're past the point of this being a pivotal battle.
Certainly this thread is inaccurately led as far as teachers are concerned. It's not Repubs vs Unions - both parties are marching to the same neoliberal drumbeat that says public education is broken and can only be fixed by market forces. Lotsa bi-partisansy stuff like privatization, charter schools, mayoral control, high-stakes standardized testing, school closures, increased class sizes etc are in the pipeline. A race to the bottom in other words.
The irony of Obama’s ‘help’ for Wisconsin teachers
If Obama can help teachers unions keep their collective bargaining rights from disappearing under Republican assault, good for him and them. That doesn’t eliminate the harm his policies have done already to teachers and their profession.
Oh, the poor pedagogues. They should be free to continue to provide substandard schooling without penalty.
The Repugs/conservatives don't give a about quality of school teaching, or deficits, or budgets.
The VRWC war on unions is a pure power play.
The Last Time Scott Walker Went Union Busting, He Was Overruled And Wasted Taxpayer Dollars
The last time Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) went after public sector unions it had “disastrous results” for him and for taxpayers.
As Milwaukee County Executive in 2009, Walker tried to get rid of the unionized security guards at the county courthouse and replace them with contractors, which he promised would save the county money. The County Board rejected the idea, but in March of 2010 Walker “unilaterally ordered it,” claiming there was a budget emergency. Walker hired the British security contractor Wackenhut — of Kabul Embassy sex scandal fame — to replace the guards. Unfortunately for Walker and Milwaukee taxpayers, an arbiter later ruled that Walker had overstepped his authority, and ordered the county to reinstate the unionized workers, pay backwages, and pay tens-of-thousands of dollars in arbiter fees. As MSNBC’s Racheal Maddow pointed out last night, Walker’s “dress rehersal” for his current union busting effort may end up costing Milwaukee taxpayers an extra half a million dollars.
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/22/...ion-wackenhut/
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