Harris back to Dallas??

[monosylab1k]

But I thought that, in years past, the lack of a real #2 was the problem for this team. So if they have that option, does it beat out the need for good team defense?

the lack of a real #2 was a problem that could be overcome. ty team defense wasn't.

In the Finals, it wasn't Wade taking 40 FT's a game, or Dirk ting the bed in a few games that lost the series. It was them letting Gary Payton, Udonis Haslem, and Antoine ing Walker score on them consistently.

[Phillip]

lol Phillip's Mavs homerism

"Our great in boys in blue team defense will guard Wade and Lebron"

never said that. but its what it will come down to, regardless. no one can guard Bron or Wade straight up in the entire NBA. it takes good team defense to be able to contain them somewhat, and if the Mavs can play some solid team defense, they still may be able to weather the storm.

[# 1 Troll]

lol comparing the Mavs' team defense to Boston's team defense.

shut up got. Hey is this who runs tha krew????

[Shank]

the lack of a real #2 was a problem that could be overcome. ty team defense wasn't.

In the Finals, it wasn't Wade taking 40 FT's a game, or Dirk ting the bed in a few games that lost the series. It was them letting Gary Payton, Udonis Haslem, and Antoine ing Walker score on them consistently.

I know Chandler here isn't a fan of Prince, but it's hard to deny that he'd be a much better option to start at the 3 than friggin' Peja Stojakovic.

[Phillip]

Yeah but show me evidence that when it comes down to play with the big boys in the playoffs, that anybody on this team besides Chandler is going to play team defense.

I've got 10 years of evidence saying the defense as currently constructed will fold when it matters.

there is only one players who has been with the team for the past 10 years, and that's Dirk. more like about 4 months of evidence.

[Kyle Orton]

never said that. but its what it will come down to, regardless. no one can guard Bron or Wade straight up in the entire NBA. it takes good team defense to be able to contain them somewhat, and if the Mavs can play some solid team defense, they still may be able to weather the storm.

team defense can't cover up ty individual defense. They could have Hakeem Olajuwon down low and it won't stop Dwayne Wade from abusing Jason Terry.

[Kyle Orton]

Tbh, every season from Februar-mid April, Phillip talks about how all of the obvious and blatant flaws Dallas has can be covered up by something stupid, you'd think at some point he'd recognize the repeated weaknesses Dallas has that lose in the playoffs.

[Phillip]

team defense can't cover up ty individual defense. They could have Hakeem Olajuwon down low and it won't stop Dwayne Wade from abusing Jason Terry.

team defense is what covered up Magic and Birds ty defense

i agree that you still need good individual defenders, but team defense can definitely help minimize the bleeding.

[Phillip]

Tbh, every season from Februar-mid April, Phillip talks about how all of the obvious and blatant flaws Dallas has can be covered up by something stupid, you'd think at some point he'd recognize the repeated weaknesses Dallas has that lose in the playoffs.

ok

[Kyle Orton]

team defense is what covered up Magic and Birds ty defense

bringing up two of the best teams of all time to defend your argument about the Mavs.

[Kyle Orton]

ok

tbh you're a homer, sorry . The Mavs have the 12th best defensive rating in the NBA, idk what this great in team defense () is that you speak of.

[monosylab1k]

there is only one players who has been with the team for the past 10 years, and that's Dirk. more like about 4 months of evidence.

Different players, same results. Or do you think suddenly Jason Terry is going to become a lockdown defender in the playoffs?

[Phillip]

bringing up two of the best teams of all time to defend your argument about the Mavs.

actually it wasnt to defend my argument on the mavs, as opposed to my argument on the importance of team defense. i said not just the mavs, but EVERY TEAM IN THE NBA would need team defense in order to have a shot at Miami, because NO ONE can guard Lebron or Wade straight up. it takes a team effort, if even if you have a guy who is a mediocre defender on them, a team that plays good team defense can still overcome it and limit the bleeding, and give themselves a chance to still win in other ways such as shutting down other players from chipping in, or by scoring more efficiently than your opponent.

[Kyle Orton]

Or do you think suddenly Jason Terry is going to become a lockdown defender in the playoffs?

He doesn't need to be with their great in team defense

[Kyle Orton]

actually it wasnt to defend my argument on the mavs, as opposed to my argument on the importance of team defense. i said not just the mavs, but EVERY TEAM IN THE NBA would need team defense in order to have a shot at Miami, because NO ONE can guard Lebron or Wade straight up. it takes a team effort, if even if you have a guy who is a mediocre defender on them, a team that plays good team defense can still overcome it and limit the bleeding, and give themselves a chance to still win in other ways such as shutting down other players from chipping in, or by scoring more efficiently than your opponent.

tbh is the 12th best defensive rating in the NBA the type of good team defense that can overcome a weak defensive link like Jason Terry?

[Phillip]

tbh you're a homer, sorry . The Mavs have the 12th best defensive rating in the NBA, idk what this great in team defense () is that you speak of.

when did I say they have great team defense? please pull a quote where I said they have great team defense. All I said is that at this point, team defense is what they have to hope on to try to limit the bleeding. I also said that not having a guy like Butler really hurts.

[Kyle Orton]

honestly, this is where the effect of chandler and the team defense as a whole comes into play, and still make it possible to limit these guys.

If you wanna play semantics, sure you didn't say "great team defense", but this post implies Dallas has team defense that can limit Miami.

[Phillip]

tbh is the 12th best defensive rating in the NBA the type of good team defense that can overcome a weak defensive link like Jason Terry?

tbh is a team that is what, 1-5 against the top teams in the NBA in Boston, San Antonio, Dallas, and Los Angeles, and still quite average against +.500 teams, a true le contender?

[Phillip]

If you wanna play semantics, sure you didn't say "great team defense", but this post implies Dallas has team defense that can limit Miami.

obviously they do, considering they beat them twice (albeit with Butler), and Miami still hasn't been all that impressive against the better teams in the NBA.

of course the playoffs are a different story, but Im not going to sit here and say that Dallas has a 0% chance at beating Miami in a series. for every tough matchup they present, Dallas presents an equally tough matchup for them. Who's guarding Dirk? Ilgauskas? Bosh? How do they plan on handling the Dallas bench? With Chalmers, Jones, and Dampier? GTFO.

[Kyle Orton]

tbh is a team that is what, 1-5 against the top teams in the NBA in Boston, San Antonio, Dallas, and Los Angeles, and still quite average against +.500 teams, a true le contender?

If you're talking about the Lakers, lol bringing up a team that has a proven track record of winning a le. As your brother already said, Dallas has a proven track record of playoff failure with their great in team defense

[Kyle Orton]

obviously they do, considering they beat them twice (albeit with Butler), and Miami still hasn't been all that impressive against the better teams in the NBA.

of course the playoffs are a different story, but Im not going to sit here and say that Dallas has a 0% chance at beating Miami in a series. for every tough matchup they present, Dallas presents an equally tough matchup for them. Who's guarding Dirk? Ilgauskas? Bosh? How do they plan on handling the Dallas bench? With Chalmers, Jones, and Dampier? GTFO.

It's proven in the playoffs you can simply double Dirk and then feed off the open bricks Terry/Kidd hulk up.

[Phillip]

It's proven in the playoffs you can simply double Dirk and then feed off the open bricks Terry/Kidd hulk up.

True. But at the same time, the Dallas offense is MUCH different this year than it has been ever since Nelly has been coaching. There is much more ball-movement, and plays being ran off of Dirk to get other guys open for easier bucket, as opposed to what the offense has been ever since Avery started coaching, which pretty much was to give the ball to Dirk, and create every bit of offense through him, as opposed to good ball movement.

Of course, we still have to wait and see what happens come playoff time. If they keep moving the ball well, then they could find a way to exploit that defensive strategy. If they dont, then they will have some serious troubles.

[Kyle Orton]

Moving the ball well only does so much. When you're a team that only has 1 halfcourt scoring threat, eventually you run into a good defensive team and your offense will implode at the wrong time.

[Phillip]

If you're talking about the Lakers, lol bringing up a team that has a proven track record of winning a le. As your brother already said, Dallas has a proven track record of playoff failure with their great in team defense

I was talking about Miami, like we have been talking about the whole time.

The Lakers don't present a matchup problem like Miami, in having two elite wing players. The Mavs can at least always keep either Marion or Stevenson in the game to at least combat Kobe, while always keeping Dirk, Chandler, or Haywood in to combat Gasol.

[Phillip]

goddamn someone seems awfully obsessed with pointing out every ing reason why the Mavs are the worst team in NBA ing history