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OK then I was wrong about that. I won't try to come up with some weird definition of the word injury like you did with the word fine to justify it
I wonder why multiple coaches refused to play Thornton.
OK then I was wrong about that. I won't try to come up with some weird definition of the word injury like you did with the word fine to justify it
Besides, I already explained to you last week why my prediction of the Suns was a case of premature evaluation.OK then I was wrong about that. I won't try to come up with some weird opinion of injury like you did with the word fine to justify it
Before the season started. I actually had them out of the playoff race.
The first coach was fired, so obviously his judgment wasn't that great.
And I already told you why Monty Williams didn't play Thornton.
I'll just make this simple. This is all Per 36 minutes, so the play time won't be a factor:
Player A
14.3 ppg
.413 fg%
2.8 rpg
1.8 apg
Player B
14.1 ppg
.452 fg%
3.7 rpg
1.4 apg
Player C
17.3 ppg
.413 fg%
6.3 rpg
2.1 apg
Who would you rather have?
what? In the same off season they went from "fine" to "out of the playoff race"?
Depends on how good each one defends since all of their per 36 minute numbers are similar
I made the "fine" comment before Amare was gone to the Knicks. However, right before the season started, I looked at the Suns roster and determined their offense was not going to be good enough to fix their awful defense. I made a post where I had ranked the Western Conference teams before the season started and clearly had the Suns out of the top ten.
All three players are below average defenders. Player A has a Drtg of 108, Player B 107, and Player C is 105.
Now, choose one. If I had the advanced stats for per 36 minutes, I'd post them.
So what you're saying is that I am at fault for having a misinformed opinion about Thornton while you're someone who determines that a team is "fine" without having any idea of what its roster looks like? Hi pot, I'm kettle.
Player B. 45% shooting is far more efficient than the other 2.
The Hornets needed a legit third big and Landry certainly fits the bill, but he's not a fit. He's essentially a worse version of West. Undersized, good scorer, not all that athletic, can't protect the rim and his rebounding, a supposed strength, has progressively gotten worse as his career has gone on, to the point where he's now a sub par rebounder.
He now inherits most of Smith's minutes and they'll probably play three bigs, not one of which being a legit 6-10. Granted, Okafor is a better shot blocker/rebounder than Okur, but they're like a smaller version of the Jazz's front lines in recent years. You know, the ones that got destroyed first by the Spurs, then repeatedly by the Lakers, in the playoffs. Only the same two teams the Hornets would have to go through now to come out of the West. I get that they more than likely weren't going to be able to make a move to legitimately challenge those teams, but this isn't going to help them in that regard, either.
And if West re-signs, why would Landry re-sign? He could go to the Pacers and start. So they trade their best wing scorer, Thornton and don't increase their ceiling for this season, all so they could get a player back who's probably not going to re-sign. Pointless trade.
Player B is Willie Green. Player C is Marcus Thornton. Green has a PER of 10.6 and Thornton's is 14.1. Thornton has a better TRB%, AST%, and a better STL%. By advanced statistics, Thornton is clearly the better player--even in a reduced role.
Of course, if I were to compare Thornton's previous season--a season in which he actually got minutes--to the season of the two players who allegedly deserve to play more than he does this season, Thornton's are much better. Thornton's numbers are better when he gets more minutes and they are better he gets fewer minutes. Thornton is clearly a superior player than either of the Hornets' shooting guards. Well, that is if you think a sg on a playoff contender should be unable to hit wide open shots that he literally gets all the time.
Per 36 minutes, Green averages 14.1 points on 12.6 attempts. Thornton averages 17.3 points on 16.1 attempts. I'd say their numbers are about equal this season. I agree Thornton should play more based off last season, but this season he hasn't outperformed Green.
Why do you now care about fg%? James Harden shoots .407% for his career, yet according to you, he would put up the same numbers as Thornton did last season if given the minutes.
Last season, Thornton got more touches and had a better fg% than Harden. This season, Willie Green gets more touches and has a better fg% than Thornton. Shouldn't I be able to say that Thornton's numbers would improve if given more touches like you claimed that Harden's would?
Yeah actually you could. From what I've watched, both Thornton and Harden both seem like rhythm players who shoot better with more minutes. I was just saying that based on this season alone, Green = Thornton.
Why? It can't be because fg%, because you claimed that Thornton was worse than Harden last season (or, at least, you took Thornton's play with a grain of salt because he got more touches), even though Thornton was shooting at a much better percentage. Can't you just take Green's shooting numbers with a grain of salt as well because he got more touches?
And my assertion that Harden > Thornton is based mostly off what I watched of Harden in college (and I watched at least 25 of Harden's games in college playing for my school's main rival). In college, Harden was a stud defender who was also great making decisions with the ball in his hand and looked to have a polished offensive game. So far he hasn't really gotten the chance to show whether or not that transferred to the NBA as Scott Brooks has reduced him to mostly spot up shooting on offense.
I never said Harden > Thornton last season, I said that I'd still take Harden as I think he'll become a much better player. Based on last season alone, Thornton > Harden (my last post addresses why I think Harden > Thornton).
Hmm, because Thornton was put in the same situation this season that Harden was last season, it is now laughable to state that Thornton is better than Harden. That's the position that you have shown in this thread.
Landry is going to help a lot. If he can get 20-25 minutes that he had as a Rocket he'll beast. He has a very high efficiency and in the sixth man role excelled. Tyreke Evans does not make anyone around him better. He hogs the ball and doesn't give it up. Of course Landry suffered as a result. With the bigs at Sac-Town, Landry couldn't get playing time as the starter but he's still darn good. He's not going to rebound at a high clip but he will bring toughness and scoring.
Losing Thornton hurt but I think this trade helps both teams.
lol hornets. 42 points
There's already a thread for Thornton tracking. Try to keep up.
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