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Damn this came out of nowhere.
Deron Williams is 28 days younger than Carmelo Anthony. The fact that you mention he's "younger" exemplifies the straws you're grasping at.
Damn this came out of nowhere.
utah got a pretty good pcakage back though.
nets no.1 pick which is gonna be a high lottery pick, favors, another pick , harris.
sitll nets came out winners.
cant wait for knicks -nets rivalry games
Also Carmelo Anthony has a defensive rating 3 points lower than D-Will's, so I'm not sure where the "better defender" premise comes from.
Deron Williams also has two less years of NBA mileage on him.
Grasping at straws is saying that the 4 PPG difference between Anthony and Deron is some kind of gargantuan quan y that sets him in another stratosphere from D-Will.
Watching them play?
Deron Williams also has two less years of NBA mileage on him.
Grasping at straws is saying that the 4 PPG difference between Anthony and Deron is some kind of massive quan y.moving the goalpost with "NBA mileage".....why didn't you post that up front?
Melo has a career average 7+ PPG higher than D-Will, and he scores most of his points off isos while all of D-Wills points come off pick and rolls. You can't possibly argue D-Will is close to the scorer Melo is.
Wow, they lose out on Melo and then get a far better player instead? Still, how are they going to keep Williams? They better have something else up their sleeves; no way Williams is going to be happy passing to Lopez, Vujacic, and Johan Petro.
Anyone have the final details of all players and teams involved and who goes where?
If those are the two 2012 picks they had been dangling earlier, I think one is top 7 protected and the other top 13 or something like that.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...iamsnets022311
The Utah Jazz have agreed to deal All-Star point guard Deron Williams(notes) to the New Jersey Nets in a three-way deal that will send Derrick Favors(notes), Devin Harris(notes) and two first-round draft picks to Utah, sources tell Y! Sports.
The Nets will also receive forwards Brandan Wright(notes) and Dan Gadzuric(notes) from the Golden State Warriors and send the Warriors forward Troy Murphy(notes). New Jersey will also send $3 million to the Jazz.
Williams, the two-time All-Star point guard, had been unhappy with the Jazz and the organization believed that he would leave as a free agent in 2012. His falling-out with ex-Jazz coach Jerry Sloan played a part in the Hall of Fame coach’s decision to retire earlier in the month.
Favors will go to Jazz with Harris, two first-round picks. Nets wlll send Troy Murphy to Golden State, and Warriors send Gadzuric to Nets.
It's not a bad debate. What's harder to find? A 20/10 point guard or a 25+ point scoring wing player? Both types of players pretty tough to acquire. Which is easier to build around? Which is easier to build around for a championship?
The answer to those questions might be Deron Williams. It's tougher to find a 20/10 PG than find a 25 point scoring wing. And it's probably easier to build around the point guard because the position carries a lot of value since on most teams the PG has the ball in his hands most of the time. You compare that to Melo who is not a LeBron type who also facilitates the offense and isn't an elite defender, and I could see someone arguing that Deron Williams is the "more valuable" player to a team. But getting a 25 point scorer is nothing to scoff at either. And while Deron might be more valuable, Melo could still be the "better" or "more talented" player by his scoring abilities alone.
And the thing with 20/10 point guards is that it does not guarantee championship success. The best point guards over the last 20+ years weren't able to lead teams to championships. From Stockton to GP to Kidd to Nash to currently CP3 and D-Will, they haven't done it, while solid but not spectacular point guards like Billups, Parker, Fisher were adequate enough when added to a great big man and/or great scoring wing and/or a very balanced team.
What can shift the comparison towards Melo is if he works his ass off to become an above average defender (unlikely under D'Antoni) or he becomes an above average facilitator as more of a point forward (which is possible). But it also still comes down to what each respective team has to surround either guy. Melo does have Amare and still has Billups for at least the remainder of this year. Deron has a regressing Brook Lopez, but less impressive, he also has Outlaw, Morrow, Vujacic running the wings for him.
Personally, I would lean more towards Melo as a better player than Deron, but there is an argument to be made that Deron is more valuable because of the position he plays and the fact that he's an elite playmaker/facilitator.
They'll be able to offer him more money than any other team. They're moving to Brooklyn in a couple of years, so he'll be in the #1 media market. The new owner has deep pockets and is committed to fielding a contender.
I'm also wondering when the D-Will became such a good defender.
A better all arounded player than Melo and cheaper in a trade what a steal for the NJN!
His career shooting percentage and TS% leave the over-hyped Melo in the dust as well.
It doesn't seem gargantuan but it's pretty significant. Year in and year out, the NBA generally has 3-5 players that average 25 points or more. There are generally something like 20 or so 20 PPG scorers, guys like Antawn Jamison and Jamal Crawford are fully capable of averaging 20 PPG. For a while, I've seen 25 PPG as somewhat of a baseline threshold for elite scorers. And when they've done it multiple times, you just know those guys are the truly elite scorers in the league. 4 PPG is significant when you look at a 20 PPG scorer versus a 16 PPG scorer. Same thing goes when the difference is between 25 PPG and 21 PPG. And as already mentioned, the difference is even bigger when you look at career scoring between the two.
Deron Williams also has two less years of NBA mileage on him.
Grasping at straws is saying that the 4 PPG difference between Anthony and Deron is some kind of gargantuan quan y that sets him in another stratosphere from D-Will.
Avery will soon be jobless once again. He's going to end up frustrating the out of D-Will. Deron will be labeled a coach killer shortly after...
Utah tanking for Fredette ? Any details about this picks ? Nets and Lakers or Nets 2011 and Nets 2012 ?
I think how a team decides to build around a star player is much more important than what position that player is.
I think it's a case of tunnel vision to label great PGs as "unable to win les". The last 20 years of the NBA has seen players like Michael Jordan, the Shaq/Kobe duo in LA, and Tim Duncan's Spurs march through the playoffs. I think it's fair to say that any PG from any era would have struggled mightily against those teams. And as soon as you go back to the pre-Jordan era, you have Isaiah Thomas leading the Pistons to two les, and then in the 80s, you have Magic Johnson and the Lakers.
I think it's entirely possible that we will see an elite point guard win a le in the NBA soon, although the Nets are nowhere near favorites as they stand, obviously.
It's all the same for the Lakers...we don't look at who we're playing come playoff time...all we know is that we got ass to take....nothing more nothing less...
I never thought of that. I should have. That guy is a Jazz front office wet dream.
The biggest shot of Magic Johnson's career was a game winning skyhook over two 7 footers in the most congested area of the court. The day D-Will, D-Rose or CP3 makes that kinda shot in the finals, I'll castrate myself, film it, and post the youtube link on ST. The biggest factor preventing PGs from leading their team to les is height, a factor that wasn't a problem at all for Magic Johnson. Using him as an example only proves the theory more.
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RT @Lockedonsports: Deron Williams told me it was not his choice. He's stunned. Declined interview until he figures out what it all means
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