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These are things we know, tbh
As usual rascal and his morons yet still never provide a realistic name nor trade. Seriously. Cut with the river not against and do the world a favor.
These are things we know, tbh
I'm not sure the Spurs had/have any good trade options. Everyone besides the Lakers & Celtics could use another serviceable big.
It would have great to have Splitter contribute this year, but I doubt that's going to happen.
Pretty hard to argue with that assessment IMO. Folks can talk about other teams having weaknesses, which is true, but rebounding and D are so critical in the second season. Lakers or Celtics are taking it this year. Despite the regular season glory, Spurs are not the real deal.Bonner is worthless in the playoffs as an interior presence and McDyess is an over the hill pf and won't come up big throughout the entire playoff run. Duncan will be left alone in the paint with little help other than an undersized Blair playing with all heart but getting outsized.
Bonner....Fo
Again, it's not that they are not willing to improve. There are very few options that make the team better and most, if not all of them, are not really available either because of cost, cap numbers, other team willing to accept, players actually being better than what the Spurs have.
Tyson Chandler (too expensive, injury prone, did not have the assets to trade for him)
Stromile Swift
Nazr (not an upgrade over ANY of our current bigs)
Al Jefferson (see Chandler)
Turiaf (see Nazr)
Kaman (see Chandler)
Camby (see Chandler)
Landry (see Chandler)
Dampier (see Chandler AND Nazr)
Zeke (Dikembe? Moving on...)
Shaq (see Chandler and at this point in his career see Nazr)
Jermaine Oneal (see Shaq)
Haslem (see Chandler)
Favors (no assets that would interest them)
Gortat (see Chandler)
DeAndre Jordan (see Favors AND Nazr)
Haywood (see Dampier)
Diop (Maybe... but who would you give up for?)
Okafor (see Chandler)
Dalembert (see Diop)
Villanueva (see Dampier)
OUt of your whole list, you can only really consider a few as viable, possible trades that both teams wouldn't slam the phone right away.
No way you can say that only a few of these guys would have been viable. That's 20 big's that have been drafted/traded, re-traded/ and signed and almost every one of them would have been an upgrade at STARTING center or PF. Bonner is a bench player, and blair is better off the bench imo because of his energy going against opposing teams bench. Having a 6'10 - 7ft big next to timmy has won us 4 championships. Why do anything different with the same core of manu,tp, and duncan?....What i'm saying is that the spurs had a PROVEN formula for success and championships and they seem to be straying from that....Bonner (joke), 6'9 Kurt thomas , 6'8 Blair, phantom splitter, 6'9 dice is not gonna get the job done against the elite's in the paint or on the glass especially. With the championship system, every big besides duncan only needed to rebound, rotate defensively, and put a body on their man. That's it. With duncan's skills and speed regressing, we needed one more than ever. Duncan ain't the anchor he used to be on defense so long bigs to surround him with should have been a TOP priority. Again, I am just voicing my frustration with the FO the past 3 years for not getting a reputable big man next to duncan. They were out there. IMO w/o one, I don't see us winning a championship.
*edit* sorry guys I really did mean Hakim Warrick instead of Swift on that list. I'll give myself a -1 rep for that, honest mistake.
Youve yet to pontificate on how to get said bigman.
Shouldn't the question be "how did the spurs NOT get one?"...instead of "how are we supposed to get one?"....that's their job to figure out and get done. I'm not gonna come up with a scenario that fits the cap/holt's pocket book, I'd probably confuse myself bc I know its not easy to do. But the point is, SEVERAL gm's got big's in different ways and we didn't.
So your just ing for zero reason at all and are ripping a FO that 100% fo the NBA community considered the best or one of the best in basketball history.
Your a pathetic excuse for a fan.
No, i'm a spoiled fan. I want more championships, that is all. They have respect because they win and do things the right way which is great. But all I care about is winning bro, keep your moral victories and division/conference les to yourself. I like real banners. Like I said this is MY opinion, and still believe they could have and should have done more to get someone next to timmy. They have a great future though, no doubt.
BY TRADING WITH WHAT?!?!?!
You want to move Ginobili? or someone else?
THEY HAVE NO TRADEABLE ASSETS WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT!?
Don't worry tomorrow we're getting Kevin Love
I understand completely, the time has passed and no I don't want to give away manu or tp or duncan,cmon . And I disagree, we have/had PLENTY of tradable assets..we just don't want to give them up. Again , this has nothing to do with whats going on right now and our current roster. This has everything to do with the past 2-3 years of our FO not being aggressive enough in going after a big man that would complement duncan (which to me was a MAJOR role in the spurs championship runs).
What were these plenty of tradeable assets.
Again your ing for zero reason.
Do you guys really need to me type out every single player on our roster for the past 3 years not name tony, manu, or tim? Because those would be the trade assets. we got RJ for scrubs (bowen, fab, kurt thomas)..couple that with draft picks that we really don't need especially if we're trying to contend while timmy's around. There are your trade assets. Obviously you gotta give some to get some, so yea we could have lost out on some good players. Hill and blair especially but even then, right now those guys aren't VITAL for us to win a championship...the same 3 guys are vital, #9,#20,#21
Hill isn't vital?
lol
I'm always amazed by the deduction that goes:
1. Player A was traded
2. I think the Spurs should have traded for Player A
3. Player A was traded to a team that isn't the Spurs
4. The Spurs didn't try to trade for Player A
I mean, obviously, if the Spurs decide that they want to trade for a player, there's absolutely no reason that another team would ever turn them down.
Thus, it necessarily follows that if the Spurs haven't made a trade, the Spurs haven't even tried to make a trade.
Besides, history tells us that when the Spurs are discussing the possibility of a trade with other teams, those discussions are highly publicized even when the trade doesn't ultimately happen. We don't call him "Completely Transparent Pop" around here for no reason . . . .
Lurk more.
Nice. Although probably ultimately worthless. If he hasn't understand it by now he won't get it even if explained with drawings.
Its only the end results that matter and there is no trade made to bring in another big. Job is not done.
Its no ones job here to get said big. I want to see results from the spurs front office on getting that big.
Eh, rascal wasn't happy when the Spurs actually won championships because they didn't make the trades he wanted.
Nothing will change.
So the Spurs can force teams to accept their offers? Or the Spurs should accept being royally screwed in the process of making a trade to address a perceived need?
History says that when the Spurs have been able to make reasonable deals for bigs, they've done it -- Kurt Thomas in 2008, Nazr Mohammed in 2005, Drew Gooden in 2009. So, I don't see much truth to the idea that the Spurs aren't willing to deal for bigs as a basic matter.
I've yet to see any proof that the Spurs have failed to pursue a reasonable trade for the sort of player that you want. What I see is the faulty deduction I noted -- the Spurs didn't make a trade, so the Spurs somehow didn't even try to make a trade . . . .
Come playoff time when pop starts bonner or Blair against pau, Bynum, odom, dirk, Chandler, haywood in a 7 game series....everyone will about it then hopefully come read this thread again so we can all discuss how we should have gotten a decent big...oh and FYI....there's a reason why Boston who had a near perfect team decided to sign BOTH O'neal's to their roster. You honestly think those guys are regular season players? Nope. But even a team who has been closer to a championship contender than we have know how important size is in the playoffs....well them, and me, and LA (who copied our system with 2 starting 7 footers along with Boston), Orlando, and Miami
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