Manny were the people in Libya more supportive of their country in 1991 than in 1990?
Were the people in Egypt more supportive of their country in 2003 than 2002?
Were the people in Iraq more supportive in 1989 than 1988?
What does any of that matter?
All that matters is if the regime has "control" and can project power.
The game is changing right in front of our eyes. Internet-based media is just a quicker method of propaganda, it's a new state tool.
If not one regime falls after Egypt, if Qaddafi maintains, power, if nothing else changes, Iran has still gained relative strength. And relative to the region, they are still sitting on a more solid foundation. Turkey is the only real compe ion, but I don't consider them part of the arab world, and they've only recently begun to look back eastwards with words, we've yet to see it with true policy.
Ahmadinejad: Mideast leaders should heed calls for change
(CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Wednesday urged Middle East leaders to listen to the voices of citizens who have taken to the streets in masses to demand a change in government -- though such protests in his own country have been crushed with brute force.
Because, Iran is so good at listening to their people...
Last edited by Yonivore; 02-24-2011 at 07:28 AM.
Iran had democracy and a democratically elected President, but wanted to nationalize Iran's oil, so Anglo-Iranian oilco hired the US/CIA to overthrow him and install the corrupt Shah. Oil operations continued uninterrupted.
So you know the answer to "Why Do They Hate Us?"
It's because we took away their freedoms, not because they hate our freedoms (which ar a myth anyway).
I am reading that the Shiite majorities, with Iran as their most influential group, in these countries are overthrowing the Sunni minorities. Iran will certainly be a big winner if that's true, just like Iran won when dubya kicked out Sunni Saddam and allowed the Shiite majority to take control.
The question stands unanswered.
We need a strategy to combat this idea.
I reject the premise.
Who, other than the bat- , crazy liberal left and our enemies, around the world, believe the United States is evil?
Ahmadenijad? Hamas? Syria? Who? And, when you identify those who think we're evil; you will find the oppressed of their countries think the United States is the greatest model of freedom in the world.
Libyans are begging for U.S. intervention in Libya. Do they hate us? Or, is it the regime that is watching it's power melt into the sand? For every country where there is a vocal minority (led by the extremists in power) screaming, "Death to America," "America is Satan," there is an oppressed majority that wants to be America.
Again, I reject your premise. With the exception of Afghanistan (for which we had ample justification) and Iraq (for which there are more Iraqis thankful for our intervention than there are opposed to it), the United States of America has been invited into every country in which they now have a presence, by the legitimate government in power. I can't help that Islamic Extremists get their panties in a wad and want to "rage" over our desecrating their "holy places." Their beef is with their leaders, not America.
Kill the leaders that foment the unjustified hatred. Blow them the up. I think it's inevitable, anyway. Ahmadeni-nut-job is already pressing our hand by moving war ships through the Suez.
That's my strategy.
What's yours? Peace, Love, and Isolationism?
Yes..we need to throw gas on the fire in the middle east! Brilliant!
Ever heard of a fire break? It'll certainly burn up and out faster that way. I don't see the fire being extinguished any time soon.
The people who we'd be killing already "hate" us (although, I think the hatred is just a convenient excuse to expand their ideology) so, why does it matter?
Put a bullet in Ahmadenijad and the mad Mullahs of Iran, today, and a vast majority of Iranian population would love us tomorrow. Who cares if the "angry Muslim" continues to do what they've been using every flimsy excuse, over the past 40 years, to do? I don't.
That prick in Syria could use an extra hole in his head, as well.
Killing is the answer! Why stop at at just a few of them? let's kill a bunch and then they will be our friends!
Sometimes, sure.
No one suggested it be indiscriminate. And, frankly, I don't care if they're our friend or if they are just scared to death of us. I just want them to quit destabilizing the world with terrorism and the theocratic absolutism that says Islam will be spread, by force if necessary, over the entire planet.
Well, this will get him into the best Georgetown parties.
Gaddafi: Barakeh Obama is friend
Come to think of it, aren't Jeremiah Wright -- Obama's erstwhile spiritual mentor -- a big fan of the Libyan leader?Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi considers the US president a blessing to the Muslim world. In a speech published in London-based al-Hayat newspaper on Saturday, Gaddafi praised Barack Obama, called him a "friend" and said there is no longer any dispute between his country and the US.
Omar's biggest friend are the one with the $Bs.
Libya coerced US oil companies to pay for terrorism settlements, leaked cable shows
LONDON (Reuters) - Libya's ruling family tried to coerce billions of dollars from Libyan and foreign oil companies, and its leader Muammar Gaddafi exhorted the United States to sow division in Saudi Arabia, leaked American diplomatic cables reveal.
One cable seen by Reuters, sent from the U.S. embassy in Tripoli, shows Gaddafi's government exerting heavy pressure on U.S. and other oil companies to reimburse Tripoli the $1.5 billion Libya had paid in 2008 into a fund to settle terrorism claims from the 1980s.
The amount was the initial payment in a planned $1.8 billion fund. The cable suggests Gaddafi intended foreign oil companies to provide full funding for the scheme, which at the time was a key factor in improving ties between Libya and the United States.
Even before Libya paid into the fund, Gaddafi, "who prides himself on being a shrewd bargainer, made it clear that he intended to extract contributions from foreign companies to cover the ... initial outlay," according to the April 2009 cable led "GOL ratchets up pressure on oil companies to contribute to U.S.-Libya claims fund."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/2...e+Raw+Story%29
Notice how the words (red) in the story don't exactly confirm the sub le (blue)? Did he coerce or merely attempt/intend to coerce?
Also not true. The key factor to improving relations between Libya and the United States was the execution of Saddam Hussein. After the U.S. Military pulled him out that spider hole and the Iraqi people executed Hussein, the Libyan dictator suddenly became cooperative. Opened Libya to inspectors and completely dismantled -- under supervision -- his nuclear weapons program....was a key factor in improving ties between Libya and the United States.
In exchange for that and his paying into the settlement, the United States started the process of normalizing relations.
....tell that to them!
UN votes 10-to-0 in favor of no-fly zone in Libya
UN votes 10-to-0 in favor of no-fly zone in Libya
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...acy/index.html
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a no-fly zone war is an act of war. They will take out Libya air defenses and airbases first, pretty much like Iraq, I figure.
Where does it stop? Bahrain? Saudi Arabia? UAE?
I would have liked the rebels to win, and know that they are losing ground daily now, but I was pretty happy with our hands off approach to all of the revolutions. I am conflicted here, but was leaning toward letting them battle it out themselves. Oh well, we are committed now.
Great, let's let France enforce it.
Yeah, they could team up with the Arab League on this one.
Every time I see this I think of a comic book. "THE ARAB LEAGUE" by DC ComicsYeah, they could team up with the Arab League on this one.
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