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I would too but I'm not ready to assume the new Egyptian government will be evil just because the people are Muslim.
I guess we'll see.
Manny, how do you carry around all that collective guilt?@ bringing up Eygpt history as if British colonization and the Cold War don't have huge effects on it. No, its just because they're "sand savages", right CC?
I would too but I'm not ready to assume the new Egyptian government will be evil just because the people are Muslim.
I guess we'll see.
Guilt? I haven no guilt. I merely point out that those people were manipulated and conquered. When you put a boot on someone's face and then ridicule them for not getting up I think you're a dumb ass.
What is it about the facts and honest analysis that you guys are so afraid of?
You do wonders for proving you're not a bigot by using the term "sand savages" though.
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You forgot the blue font.
So how far back does the guilt go? The Egyptian tribes have been ruled by either strongmen (whether you call them Pharaohs or Presidents) or others like the Persians, Romans, etc. since the dawn of time.
Why even call yourself an American?
Whats your fascination with the world guilt in this context? Have the colonization of Africa and the cold war played a role in the type of government Egyptians have had? Yes or no?
Why the is this an issue of guilt?
Because, as we all know, dropping ordinance on packed crowds is the best way to win friends and convince people you aren't evil.
Collective Guilt as in making excuses for them because others have been "mean" to them over the years.
You are the one that chose to take issue with my statement that the Egyptian people have no history or cultural heritage that would lead any logical person to the conclusion that they will choose a Cons utional Republic form of government.
At least you are honest about being a fascist. It's refreshing.
Democracy tends to foster the kinds of ties between countries that precludes wars and decreases hostility.
If you can't accept that the will of the people might not always go your way, you, by definition, hate democracy.
That is about as un-American as it gets.
As in, you are too dumb to recognize when you are being baited?
Every time I think that someone has said the stupidest thing I have ever seen in the forum, people like you come along and see to revel in competing for that prize.
I thought you retired that prize after winning it so often?
Every time I think that someone has said the stupidest thing I have ever seen in the forum, people like you come along and see to revel in competing for that prize.
I know you weren't being overly serious. That's why I didn't call you names.As in, you are too dumb to recognize when you are being baited?
Jackass.
How the can we have a conversation when you just assign new meanings to words whenever you want? Do you even know what guilt means? It has nothing to do with reasons or even excuses as you put them. Its a ing emotion one feels.
I took issue with your USE of that statement. For the past 150 years the wishes of the Egyptian people have not been the dominant factor in what government they've had. Thats an important factor to consider, don't you think?You are the one that chose to take issue with my statement that the Egyptian people have no history or cultural heritage that would lead any logical person to the conclusion that they will choose a Cons utional Republic form of government.
It has nothing to do with ing guilt and everything to do with reality.
This thread was more fun when we were making fun of the sites that posted this video.
http://www.galacticroundtable.com/fo...ians-in-tahrir
The fact of the matter is... that in order to preserve OUR way of life, sometimes we have to destroy the way of life of those that threaten us.
That's just the way the world works.
As to this quote... by LnGrrrR. I never said that did I? I said
"I would be happy to live in a dictatorship that supported my ideology... it wouldn't be here though."
(to be frank I don't think one exists)
And my original quote:
"Democracy is not a good outcome in Egypt for the United States. I don't hate democracy in general, but democracy that doesn't serve the interest of the American people is useless in my opinion."
So you are basically just wrong.
Why don't we at least wait until we're threatened first?
It's not just the past 150 years. It's been since the dawn of mankind.
You HONESTLY think they are going to end up with a Cons utional Republic form of government?
pfffft.
I don't know what they're going to do but I don't see why its so outlandish that they establish a cons utional democracy. Of course if I viewed them as "sand savages" that might be different.
hah...
If Egypt democratically elects a government (which would most likely be some kind of theocratic hybrid) that decides to go into a Cold war with Israel (again) and side with a potentially nuclear Iran and newly liberated and possibly extremist influenced Libya (that will hold nothing but elections in name only)
You are telling me that I am un-American for wanting to stop that before it starts?
Ok dude...
It's THEIR country.
Amazing, eternal hubris that the UCA still thinks it can dictate/force the another country to form a govt friendly to UCA (esp friendly to UCA corps, since UCA corps are the primary reason The American Empire exists. Public funding the Empire for private gain.)
They haven't done that.
You want to keep people from voting because there is potential for a vote that goes against our interests.
If they elect the wrong government and align with the wrong nations and threaten our allies, THEN they are our enemy.
And I would say that toppling a dictator that would at least come to the negotiating table if even unfriendly is more than likely better than you are going to get with a new government.
I know it has been used time and again... but look at the dominoes that fell when we let the Shah fall... he could have put down the uprising in Iran handily with our help. (or at least a blind eye) and now we are dealing with madmen who are working on nukes...
I do not deny that I am selfish and self serving against people in other countries...
Can anyone deny that THEY are as well? If they are not... why all the uproar about the "American Way of Life" being destroyed? Have you ever slept in a dung and grass hut? I have. It sucks, and is one of a lot less posh than living in a project with running water and heat.
Why all the griping about "American Jobs going over seas!" Those people over there are less privileged EMPLOYED than anyone in this country on welfare.
It REEKS of hypocrisy.
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