Aaron Brooks traded to the Suns

[DaDakota]

Rocket fans, do you think they shipped AB out because hes a headcase? Bad at ude?

They shipped him out because they committed to Kyle as the starting point and did not want to pay AB the money he will get from other GM's.

Part of that is the failed "No extensions" philosophy of Morey, he had to overpay for Kyle and was afraid of having to do the same for Brooks.

Well run organizations simply reach argreement with their players, they foster a winning atmosphere, and keep their better players happy.

Brooks was playing great at the beginning of the year (Pre injury) 20ppg, and over 7 assists a game, unfortunatly he got hurt, and then came back too early......when he was finally healthy and wanted his starting job back, he was told that Lowry was playing too well and that he was now a bench player, in a contract year.

It had flammable situation written all over it......and Brooks pouted, didn't like it, felt he was way better than Kyle and should be starting and was getting screwed by the organization in a contract year.

Look, Morey has been great at saving money and getting mediocre talent.....but his negotiating skills are hardcore for players, and that is one of the main reasons no one wants to come to Houston.

No extensions....word gets around.....

And then when the players are restricted etc, he negotiates through the media by saying things like "Carl Landry's knees are a concern" to drive down his value.

Players notice those things, but casual fans do not.

Yeah that had something to do with it, but the main reason is he was going to command like 8-10 million in the offseason, and they did not want to give him that kind of money

And other NBA Players take notice.......he could have negotiated a reasonable deal before the season...or even traded him....Morey blew it.

Organizations that trade players to save $$$$, are not winning organizations.....they are not championship level, IMO.

DD

[djohn2oo8]

They shipped him out because they committed to Kyle as the starting point and did not want to pay AB the money he will get from other GM's.

Part of that is the failed "No extensions" philosophy of Morey, he had to overpay for Kyle and was afraid of having to do the same for Brooks.

Well run organizations simply reach argreement with their players, they foster a winning atmosphere, and keep their better players happy.

Brooks was playing great at the beginning of the year (Pre injury) 20ppg, and over 7 assists a game, unfortunatly he got hurt, and then came back too early......when he was finally healthy and wanted his starting job back, he was told that Lowry was playing too well and that he was now a bench player, in a contract year.

It had flammable situation written all over it......and Brooks pouted, didn't like it, felt he was way better than Kyle and should be starting and was getting screwed by the organization in a contract year.

Look, Morey has been great at saving money and getting mediocre talent.....but his negotiating skills are hardcore for players, and that is one of the main reasons no one wants to come to Houston.

No extensions....word gets around.....

And then when the players are restricted etc, he negotiates through the media by saying things like "Carl Landry's knees are a concern" to drive down his value.

Players notice those things, but casual fans do not.



And other NBA Players take notice.......he could have negotiated a reasonable deal before the season...or even traded him....Morey blew it.

Organizations that trade players to save $$$$, are not winning organizations.....they are not championship level, IMO.

DD

The FO wanted Brooks to become more of a pass first PG, and he could not. Was he playing good before the injury? Sure, but who played a big part in that 0-6 start? First game against LA. Brooks leaves Steve Blake open for the 3, loss. Last year he scored because we needed him to, this year we asked him to pass more and take the shot ONLY when he is open. He didn't like that, and you don't get rewarded based off one good season while still having something else to prove. Why sign him to a long term contract before the season when he possibly might not be the answer? You don't give him a contract just to make him happy, (EX. Kelvin Cato). The stance in the FO is no bad contracts, they only have Kyle's, and Yao is off the books.

[djohn2oo8]

No doubt both sides could have handled it better

[Kamnik]

Putting being a Dragic fan aside and trying to be objective;
I think Rox GM is one of the top 5 GMs in the league.

If Yao would be healthy 80% of the games they could be a contender and have a great team.

How many wins do Lakers have if you take Gasol out of the picture?
How many wins Orlando gets if you remove Howard?

I think Rockets are one of the better led organisations and these last 2 trades proove it.

[DaDakota]

Djohn,

I think that players respond to lots of outside stresses, and one of them is a contract, personally, I don't like the no extensions policy, I believe it hurts the Rockets around the league as players would rather come to teams where they are comfortable.

As far as Morey goes, I think he has done a good job, but there are things that are baffling, like not getting someone to replace Yao, when they KNEW that he was more than likely going to break down.

To me, that was a big failure.....on the organization, IMO.

I like DM the GM, a lot, but I think his people management skills need work.

And you are right the stance in the FO is "No bad contracts".....thus we can not be mad when really good NBA Free agents say "No to Houston" because of it.

DD

[noob cake]

Djohn,

I think that players respond to lots of outside stresses, and one of them is a contract, personally, I don't like the no extensions policy, I believe it hurts the Rockets around the league as players would rather come to teams where they are comfortable.

As far as Morey goes, I think he has done a good job, but there are things that are baffling, like not getting someone to replace Yao, when they KNEW that he was more than likely going to break down.

To me, that was a big failure.....on the organization, IMO.

I like DM the GM, a lot, but I think his people management skills need work.

And you are right the stance in the FO is "No bad contracts".....thus we can not be mad when really good NBA Free agents say "No to Houston" because of it.

DD

DD, do you want to go kidnap Howard? That will surely help Morey replace Yao.

[DaDakota]

DD, do you want to go kidnap Howard? That will surely help Morey replace Yao.

LOL - I am hoping that Thabeet pans out now....not much else to do really.

Also, am looking forward to seeing CBud start (Scared of the defense of him and Kmart though) and seeing TWill get some burn.

I am really down on our PG situation though, don't think Kyle is a quality starter, nor is Goran, BUT....maybe they are clearing room for Sergio Llull when he comes over, and Kyle is sort of the guy holding the torch until they find someone better.

Which I thought AB was doing anyway too.

Also, Twill thinks he is a point, if he can actually play Point that would be huge because a 6'6" rebounding passing PG would be a massive advantage.

But Noob C, the only real worry I have right now is that Adelman will simply not play the new guys.....and more than anything the young guys need burn on the floor......

DD

[Kyle Orton]

Goran should be starting at point for you guys. However, if Adelman s up with him, it won't be the first time he destroys a European backcourt talent (lol not playing Petrovic).

[The Reckoning]

Goran should be starting at point for you guys. However, if Adelman s up with him, it won't be the first time he destroys a European backcourt talent (lol not playing Petrovic).

coach is too in love with lowry. he'll rotate points like he did with that choke job whiney brooks.

[DaDakota]

Goran should be starting at point for you guys. However, if Adelman s up with him, it won't be the first time he destroys a European backcourt talent (lol not playing Petrovic).

Petrovic could not beat out Drexler, nor Porter....it was good that he was able to move to New Jersey and show the world what a good player he was.

Dragic is just an OK PG, is he better than Brooks or Lowry, I don't think at this point he is.....to me this is more about the Rox running away from having to pay Brooks too much $$$$, because the Kings are going to offer him like $9 million a year...

Morey's policies are now causing the Rockets to shed talent, or to make lateral moves to keep up, I prefer the way the Spurs do it, sign your talent, keep them comfortable and productive.....guys are more apt to come off the bench if their future is secured by a contract, IMO.

DD

[Kyle Orton]

Hopefully not but you're probably right. I can't believe I have to start cheering for the in Rockets.

[djohn2oo8]

Hopefully not but you're probably right. I can't believe I have to start cheering for the in Rockets.

At least Yao is not playing, i know that would make it more unbearable for you

[djohn2oo8]

WTF? Houston's GM Morey is such a re . He makes the most re ed moves over and over. Brooks is a of a lot better than Dragic is.

Dragic might one day possibly at best case scenario become half as good as Spanoulis is.

Brooks is an undersized chucker with no ability to make his teammates better

[Kyle Orton]

Dragic was terrible this year because he never got to build any chemistry with a consistant 2nd unit. The rotation changed every game and he had to constantly adjust to a new lineup that was always weak on defense (and to maximize his ability, you need a strong defensive lineup). He'll be much better in Houston if he gets consistent court time with the same players.

[DaDakota]

If he is looking for consistent minutes, he is playing for the wrong coach, that was a lot of AB's problem.

DD

[noob cake]

Dragic was terrible this year because he never got to build any chemistry with a consistant 2nd unit. The rotation changed every game and he had to constantly adjust to a new lineup that was always weak on defense (and to maximize his ability, you need a strong defensive lineup). He'll be much better in Houston if he gets consistent court time with the same players.

Adelman is preparing to sit him for 2 weeks before stable rotation time.

Thabeet needs to wait 2 months. , Terrance Williams, better than both of them, has not even seen any minutes in the rotation.

[Kyle Orton]

I'm already prepared. Petrovic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dragic, so if Adelman was able to up that talent, he can easily up with Dragic.

[robbie380]

If he is looking for consistent minutes, he is playing for the wrong coach, that was a lot of AB's problem.

DD

lol DD....how can you say that with a straight face? You act like AB never played consistent minutes for Adelman and that Adelman didn't try to continue to run AB out there even though he was sucking balls. He was shooting 35% from the field and not running any sort of offense when he played point. If anything Adelman should have played him a lot less and played Ish Smith instead.

[Indazone]

lol DD get banned over at Clutchfans? Welcome to the darkside.

[sook]

As wierd as it might be due to past history, I'm agreeing with DD.


You can't treat players in that fashion and expect big time players to want to mention houston when they are notorious for this type of treatment.

Brooks would have done well with NY, and i mean WELL. But if the suns are still run and gun, you could not have found a better player for the system. It'll probably take him a bit to returning to his old form but what pisses me off is I know hes going to be good and a of a lot better than our PGs atm.

[Danny.Zhu]

Houston should have traded him last year...

[Goran Tragic]

LOL @ myself...

[Kai]

In actuality, we chose to start Lowry over Brooks. So chances are, we let AB walk in the offseason. Same goes with Battier. We tried to get what we could with both of them while picking up more assets to be ready for a trade for a star. Not saying it will happen, but that is what Morey made clear as to what he was doing in yesterday's press conference. I lol'd when he took a shot at the Gasol deal and said sometimes all it takes is Kwame Brown to get it done

[DPG21920]

Very good trades by HOU. There is really no question about imo. They got low risk/high reward players for very little.

[Kyle Orton]

Yeah they basically got a 1st round pick and a PG prospect who's great when his team doesn't suck for an overrated combo guard who was gonna expect a massive contract this off season because of 1 good year (which Lon Babby is surely gonna give him).