im not quite sure why everyone has jumped on the Rose for MVP bandwagon. is he a candidate? sure, but i dont understand how hes the front runner.
look at my most hated team, the mavs.
started 24-5 with Dirt.
Dirt goes down, the mavs go 2-7.
Dirt comes back, they immediately start winning again despite losing a key player for the season.
Mavs without Dirt: 2-7
Mavs with Dirt: 39-9
Bulls record: 39-17
Mavs record: 41-16
even though i hate their team, to me it is pretty clear that of all the top teams, Dirt is the MVP so far this year.
I think Rose is getting a lot of credit because Boozer has missed 18 games and Noah missed 30 games and the Bulls still look like an elite team in the league. I don't know if I say Rose is the frontrunner, but I don't have a problem with anyone who believes that.
also Rose has a 20-10 guy on his team as well, Lebron has DWAYNE WADE on his team putting up huge numbers, Howard's team does not have a good enough record, Gasol is just as important to the lakers as kobe is, etc...
there is no one on the Mavs even CLOSE to Dirt.
Dirt for MVP.
Mavs have also faced perhaps the toughest schedule in the NBA to date.
I'd say Dirk and Rose should definitely be the 2 leaders for MVP, but from what I've heard, its Rose, Lebron, Howard, then Dirk is tied with Amare in the race. Lame.
they only look good NOW. you know, now that they have a 20-10 guy and Noah back. they are as much a reason for the teams new 'elite' status.
i cant see how Rose's case is any better than Dirts. the Mavs have a better record, lost a top scorer for the season and there is nobody else on the Mavs even close to dirt as far as numbers or impact.
lebron is up there based on pure name hype alone. you cant be the mvp if you have ing dwayne wade on your team also putting up mvp numbers. if he gets it the MVP award will have gone the way of the DPOY award...
If Rose had gone down with an injury we'd see the impact there too....even with Boozer and Noah on the team they would be a .500 team at best. I agree Dirt should be higher in the discussion, but still believe that Rose > Dirt.
what is your reasoning?
this Bulls team without rose would be better than the Mavs without Dirt, and even as it stands now, with Dirt missing 9 games the Mavs STILL have a better record than the Bulls.
there is simply no factual or statistical reasons to place Rose ahead of Dirt, besides big name/big city hype/bias.
right now NBA.com has lebron and even KOBE ahead of Dirt in the MVP race
Since there are no clearcut scientific criteria for the "MVP" Award, it's great for arguing who "should" get it.
However, selected Media Member do the voting, so you can forget that Dirk will ever win again.
Rose is currently a pretty popular pick.
Agree!
if dirk gets 3x MVPs i swear to god....
I for one am pushing for Rose...because I firmly beleive it will be LA vs. CHI in the finals this year...and if history tells us anything it's that the winner of the last 5 or so MVP's simply never win the le...
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I doubt that Bulls team would be any better without Rose than the Mavs without Dirk. The Bulls team as it is really have no one else who can handle the ball. They don't have many reliable scorers. Rose draws a ton of defensive attention which frees up guys like Deng, Bogans (what is your reasoning?
this Bulls team without rose would be better than the Mavs without Dirt, and even as it stands now, with Dirt missing 9 games the Mavs STILL have a better record than the Bulls.
there is simply no factual or statistical reasons to place Rose ahead of Dirt, besides big name/big city hype/bias.
right now NBA.com has lebron and even KOBE ahead of Dirt in the MVP race), Korver, Boozer, etc.
Rose is probably over Dirk for these reasons....
1. The Bulls have been bitten by the injury bug all year yet remain one of the top teams.
2. Rose has been very durable and has only missed one game the entire year
3. If you want to talk stats when you get right down to it Rose has to do more for his team. Score, be a playmaker, he damn near rebounds as much as Dirk despite giving up a 8-9 inch height difference, blocks as many shots despite that height difference, etc. He's just as valuable (if not more valuable) as Dirk to his team.
rose is overrated. dirk and lebron should be the only ones on top.
I doubt that Bulls team would be any better without Rose than the Mavs without Dirk. The Bulls team as it is really have no one else who can handle the ball. They don't have many reliable scorers. Rose draws a ton of defensive attention which frees up guys like Deng, Bogans (
Rose is probably over Dirk for these reasons....
1. The Bulls have been bitten by the injury bug all year yet remain one of the top teams.
2. Rose has been very durable and has only missed one game the entire year
3. If you want to talk stats when you get right down to it Rose has to do more for his team. Score, be a playmaker, he damn near rebounds as much as Dirk despite giving up a 8-9 inch height difference, blocks as many shots despite that height difference, etc. He's just as valuable (if not more valuable) as Dirk to his team.stupid comment
So a team with Carlos Boozer, Joakim Noah, and Liol Deng is more dependant on their superstar than a team with Jason Terry, an old Jason Kidd, and Tyson Chandler? I understand 2 of the guys I mentioned on the Bulls have been injured. I'm commented on your bold statement that Rose is more valuable to his team then Dirk.
In a world where Carlos Boozer and Noah aren't injured, but Rose is injured. All the Bulls needs to do is plug in a decent PG and the Bulls still have at least a shot to make the playoffs in the east. The Mavericks on the over hand would be a bottom feeder team in the west without Dirk. they would be a bottom feeder team in the east too.
Yeah, they are. And I'm not sure why you're counting Boozer and Noah together since they haven't really played together all year. One of the other has been out. And does Dirk have to set up the offense? Nope. Does he have to do much playmaking and breaking down the defense? Nope. Does Dirk have to rebound? Looking at his numbers...not much
So a team with Carlos Boozer, Joakim Noah, and Liol Deng is more dependant on their superstar than a team with Jason Terry, an old Jason Kidd, and Tyson Chandler? I understand 2 of the guys I mentioned on the Bulls have been injured. I'm commented on your bold statement that Rose is more valuable to his team then Dirk.Dirk scores 23 a game and really doesn't do much else. Is he a mismatch from on offense? Sure. Other than that what else does he do that's above average?
Well Rose hasn't been in that world all season long. If Rose is injured you would have to find a "decent" PG that could set up the offense, score 20+, handle 2-3 defenders being thrown at him nightly and make up for a 2 guard core that aren't really scorers. That's a tall order...but Rose has basically done this all season either without Boozer or without Noah so....that's why he's being considered for MVP.In a world where Carlos Boozer and Noah aren't injured, but Rose is injured. All the Bulls needs to do is plug in a decent PG and the Bulls still have at least a shot to make the playoffs in the east. The Mavericks on the over hand would be a bottom feeder team in the west without Dirk. they would be a bottom feeder team in the east too.
I mean you saying something as stupid as plug in a decent PG on that Bulls team is like me saying plug in a "decent" PF that scores 20+ and is a subpar rebounder and defender on the Mavs and they're home free
This. Watch a bulls game and then watch a mavs game. You will clearly see rose is the superior player. Hasn't had boozer and Noah healthy all season and bogans starting yet they still wreck shop.Yeah, they are. And I'm not sure why you're counting Boozer and Noah together since they haven't really played together all year. One of the other has been out. And does Dirk have to set up the offense? Nope. Does he have to do much playmaking and breaking down the defense? Nope. Does Dirk have to rebound? Looking at his numbers...not much
Well Rose hasn't been in that world all season long. If Rose is injured you would have to find a "decent" PG that could set up the offense, score 20+, handle 2-3 defenders being thrown at him nightly and make up for a 2 guard core that aren't really scorers. That's a tall order...but Rose has basically done this all season either without Boozer or without Noah so....that's why he's being considered for MVP.
I mean you saying something as stupid as plug in a decent PG on that Bulls team is like me saying plug in a "decent" PF that scores 20+ and is a subpar rebounder and defender on the Mavs and they're home free
Rose blows away Dirk in talent.
why in the should lebron be a top MVP contender WHEN THERE IS ANOTHER MVP-ESQUE PLAYER ON HIS SAME TEAM?
jesus christ i feel like im taking crazy pills here.
miami with just Wade won 50 games.
take Rose of this chicago team and they still make the playoffs top 6 seed.
take Dirt off the Mavs and they would be a 30-win team
I call bull . Rose isn't even in the top 50 in the NBA in adjusted +/- , he's +1.98. When he'sin the game his team outscores the opponent by 6.83, when he's out his team still outscores the opponent by 4.85.I doubt that Bulls team would be any better without Rose than the Mavs without Dirk. The Bulls team as it is really have no one else who can handle the ball. They don't have many reliable scorers. Rose draws a ton of defensive attention which frees up guys like Deng, Bogans (
Rose is probably over Dirk for these reasons....
1. The Bulls have been bitten by the injury bug all year yet remain one of the top teams.
2. Rose has been very durable and has only missed one game the entire year
3. If you want to talk stats when you get right down to it Rose has to do more for his team. Score, be a playmaker, he damn near rebounds as much as Dirk despite giving up a 8-9 inch height difference, blocks as many shots despite that height difference, etc. He's just as valuable (if not more valuable) as Dirk to his team.
In contrast Dirk is third in the entire NBA behind Nash & Pierce. Outscoring by 11.08 while playing and getting outscored 6.79 while he sits. Couple that with a 41-16 record, 2-7 w/o him, and that's a MVP.
God given physical gifts,perhaps. . . but what does that say about Rose that despite the supposed lack of talent Dirk is just as good if not better than he is?
Dirk shoots 53, 42, 88 and 62 TS%. Rose is shooting 45% even know Dirk shoots way tougher shots than he does, just sayin.
Kobe ahead of Dirk =
Dirk for me, as he can turn it on when he needs to and if not he just takes less shots and gives others the opportunity to produce!
by your logic, take lebron off the cavs and they are a 15-win team. lebron still looks better by comparison.
TBH if Dirt doesnt get injured the Mavs are neck and neck with the Spurs for the 1st seed and sitting at about 50-10... and that would probaby put him on par with LeBron and Rose for the MVP.
Overall... i think Dwight Howard may be the real MVP of the league... since he has 10x more impact defensively then anybody else in the discussion - but voters and fans seem to completely discredit defense these days. Having said that.. the poor play of his team mates has obviously cost him a shot at the MVP.. but the Magic could still win 55 games which would make him eligible.
if dirk was not german would you say that?
rose is by far the mvp
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